WW25 - Game Thread

[uberfish]

Gazglum, your elimination process concerning the double voter is flawed (and all this bad logic is getting to the point where it's suspicious). I have more than one power, there's no reason a scum can't have more than one power too. Also some people might just be lying about thier powers.

[Jowy]

still think gaz is wolf.

first day strange, not much play, short post.
try to make me reveal role when he think i had big villager role.
second day plant seed to target mjw train, because i think most if not all were villager, which is now even clearer.
uberfish first to vote gaz.
gaz start getting pressure.
gaz style complete change, and he counter attack uber.
gaz disappear when not in danger.
third day gaz pretty much go back to old style of not much play, short post.
third day bring back up planted seed and say "one of the mjw voters is scum". btw if he think so originally, why target mjw train? 1/6 chance to catch scum not worth chase.
because of day 3 gaz going against novice make me believe gaz specifically WOLF.


some other interesting post from re-read:

Zak is famous for a hig post count, and he said in the previous game that it is necessary for him to keep one up as a wolf. He seemed to be struggling to find purchase and kept asking just to make his presence felt, probably gambling that jowy's 'style' annoyed everybody enough that they wouldn't care about the constant questioning.

i find this post by slowcheetah really good. it explain zak behavior so well i think.

Novice, your assuming the ghouls killed Rowain? That means that either wolves didn't kill, or Lewwyn is a wolf, because Azza was the only other person to die. I think that the wolves killed Rowain, and ghouls didn't kill.

Or Wolves doubled up on Rowain who was pretty clearly villager on Day 1 IMO. Or we have a protective role who got lucky. Or we have someone who is nightkill immune. Or someone who is immune from kills from certain people.

two things to take from here, one in favor one against. first, if rowain such clear villager that scum might target, why not protect rowain? why azza? second, i think last sentence lewwyn hint at his priest role, which make it less likely to be recently thought up.

Thanks for the translations, Brick. It's clear that you've put a lot of effort into this game so far.

what zak think of brick contribution earlier.

Instead, what we should look at are his actual contributions, which are poor, since he deliberately adopted a style that makes it impossible to make deep contributions. His "best" case on day 1, which he apparently takes pride in, was a breakdown of Ichabod's posts into various categories. It's not a compelling case, and it was targeting a villager. That only counts as a decent contribution IF you assume that he had no way to communicate better. When he got access to the QT on day 2, he could have contributed as well as anyone else, but I don't think he excelled. Besides clearing up his previous posts, he made one long writeup to explain his vote for Slowcheetah, and that was really it. The rest of it was the rambling in the QT that he was being questioned about when he broke down and confessed.

I think the biggest town tell for Brick right now is his unrepentant attitude. That part seems more like a misguided villager than scum. But he could just be sensing that people are willing to forgive him and building on that.

and now suddenly it's opposite. oops?

[zakalwe]

A lot of effort != good contribution.

You know, if you actually answered questions, people wouldn't have to keep asking.

I asked you once about your style on day one. I wasn't satisfied with that answer, so I asked again during the night, emphasizing specifically that you claimed vanilla and denied having a post restriction, meaning you have no excuse for your distracting behavior. I repeated that question after you blatantly ignored it, and after that I gave up on you. You are the one who's been trolling me (and everyone else), so don't try to spin that as a scum tell on me.

[Jowy]

you think its trolly to not answer same question over and over and over and over again.
i think one answer enough. any more just distract from wolf catching.

on other hand, u dont even give one answer to good question that could help team.
i ask scum list. you ignore. i ask why u so desperate when u not in danger. you ignore.

[Jowy]

btw question point of quote not reason why i like it. even without that example, the explanation make sense to explain ur strange behavior.

[zakalwe]

So you think I've been spamming to keep my post count up? Is that what you're saying? Others who know me better think I've been sitting back. In any case, I don't understand what behavior it is that needs explaining, so perhaps you should clarify that.

When you asked me who I suspect other than Brick, my vote was on Gazglum, so I took it as a superfluous question. When you said why are you desperate, I took it as rhetorical, I guess. Can't really remember when you said that, and it didn't register as something I needed to answer.

Making a long scum list like you've been doing is pretty pointless and just signifies overconfidence. My advice (which I'm sure you're dying to hear) is to take it one step at a time, and keep reevaluating as you go.

[Jowy]

So you think I've been spamming to keep my post count up? Is that what you're saying? Others who know me better think I've been sitting back. In any case, I don't understand what behavior it is that needs explaining, so perhaps you should clarify that.

When you asked me who I suspect other than Brick, my vote was on Gazglum, so I took it as a superfluous question. When you said why are you desperate, I took it as rhetorical, I guess. Can't really remember when you said that, and it didn't register as something I needed to answer.

Making a long scum list like you've been doing is pretty pointless and just signifies overconfidence. My advice (which I'm sure you're dying to hear) is to take it one step at a time, and keep reevaluating as you go.

exactly. you have been sitting back, but you still have second highest post count of all. tons of post, not much content. did not make sense to me. if villager, why help village so little? if wolf, why not shut up? then i read slowcheetah quote, and it finally make sense to me. btw i am always re-evaluating. did you not wonder why i ask you and novice those question? i want more information, and with more information i can make better judgment.

[Mattimeo]

As an option on lewwyns role, it's pretty common to have a scum role seer, that could be one explanation for him visiting now and not killing. His partner could then dothe kills instead

Why would the role seer take the kill on the first night? Wouldn't he be better off using that ability while his partner kills?

Realised I haven't actually cast a vote yet today :/
Everyone except zak seems to have forgotten about BRick in the rush to finger Lewwyn as having completely fabricated a role on the spot to cover for being tracked to the death of a scum first night. Lewwyn's story is definitely more believable for me than "oh, I'll be able to talk properly uh, I mean, have 2 vig shots when sanity drops to 10".
On the other hand, I can't even make sense of the case against zakalwe because Jowy is barely comprehensible, and seems more prone to pathetic attempts to justify terrible communication skills than actually putting forward coherent, well thought out arguments. I know I initially gave him a pass because a singleton vanilla town is a reasonably common subversion in role madness games, but it's not a gaurantee, and he's not exactly being a productive member of the village.

[zakalwe]

No a policy lynch is not a good alternative just because you're not certain that you've got a wolf.

Maybe I am an extreme proponent of policy lynches, but surely this must be the other extreme. I really don't know that I buy this. A policy lynch is not an automatic mislynch, but Q seems to equate the two.

Q's latest post is also scummy in the same way that his early day one posts were scummy. Seems like the only case that Q has dared to pursue in this game is the one against Slowcheetah, that had my backing.

I think it might be wise to trust Lewwyn for now. For me, that means the remaining scum are probably among Gazglum, Q, Jkaen, and Uberfish. Brick feels a bit less likely, but still deserves to hang.

There's your snapshot of my suspicions, Jowy.

[Lewwyn]

He made a post I found to be pretty villagery. Pretty good and communicative. Reminded me a lot of Ww17. Could be village could be scum. Of all the players Azza is the one I probably have the most difficulty getting a read on.

Post 519 by lewwyn concerning azza. I don't understand it. IIRC Lewwyn said that azza was a village read and he wasn't trying to kill him. Why protect azza then? He's not often a player killed early by scum.

I said he could be either. The post itself was pretty villager but then I had a village read on him inn ww17 and lost because I didnt vig or vote for him in the end. I said "Azza is the one I have the most difficulty reading". What I'm saying is that if he was a villager I could protect h because he made sound posts at night, but if I were wrong because I'm always wrong about Azza, I wouldn't be left holding the bag at then end of the game. I think my post was perfectly clear and I don't understand why YOU are having trouble understanding it... Überfish

So your ability is a pseudo role seer and vig. A pseudo role seer that reduces sanity, and gets a vig shot. Who else have you scanned besides brick?