WW25 - Game Thread

[uberfish]

my role is not needed to be claimed right now, claiming will not help the village

This is correct. But either you start contributing to this game, or I will kill you.

[zakalwe]

Had a new idea about the alignment distribution... 3-3-10 is too many scum and 2-2-12 too few... If it was 3-2-11 either novice doublevoted himself (uselessly) or the 3 have the doublevote. But it could be 1-2-2-11. 5 antitown roles seems about right for a multifaction game of this size. And we had no night kills last night because ghouls are eliminated and Pind blocked Gaz-wolf.

Yeah, this would make sense. I suggested the same thing myself, earlier, although I didn't think about the extra vote, which would indeed fit nicely with a SK.

After Pindicator's revelation, Gazglum does look like a good lynch. If he is scum, that might also explain why Ichabod was targeted. So let's hear his claim.

[Qgqqqqq]

No a policy lynch is not a good alternative just because you're not certain that you've got a wolf.

Maybe I am an extreme proponent of policy lynches, but surely this must be the other extreme. I really don't know that I buy this. A policy lynch is not an automatic mislynch, but Q seems to equate the two.

On you seem to be misinterpreting this strongly - I'm not equating it to a mislynch because its done on policy, I'm equating it to a mislynch because I had and have a village lean on BRick, which I didn't think the policy lynch had good enough reasons to override.
You're also reading to much into the word certain. I wasn't *certain* that novice azza wolf, but I had my strongest suspicions on him, and with the actions of BRick explainable, if not advisable, that was where I was going to vote
Its different if its a lurker whose done nothing all game and is still doing nothing, but that's not the case here at all.
I only believe in policy lynches when there's a good reason they are scum or actively harming the village. You could say Brick harmed the village earlier, but he hasn't done so since.

Q's latest post is also scummy in the same way that his early day one posts were scummy. Seems like the only case that Q has dared to pursue in this game is the one against Slowcheetah, that had my backing.

How were my earlier posts scummy again?
You seem to imply that I was only making the slow case because I had the support of you zak. When have I done that in the past? I haven't had much time to make cases (despite saying I would ) but I certainly didn't focus on slow because you supported me - in fact I may have done it more because he wasn't a particularly popular vote (at least, no one else seemed to be making his case) so I felt it nessecsry to make the case.
I'm not one to avoid suspicions just because they're not accepted - in WW20 I spent half the time donging the Molach bell (IIRC) for example.

Obviously its Gazglum who I was leaning towards anyway.
As to who else, idk. I've really strong town leans on Uberfish and Pindicater, and town leans on Matt and Brick. Lewwyn I'm not sure about, I would say townish but night 1 is still weird. Jowy feels a bit scummy, though I'm notsure if its just that he's unused to/behaving weirdly in relation to our meta. Jkaen I've no idea, zak feels a bit scummy.

[zakalwe]

MJW is generally a distracting influence, but I don't think that warrants a lynch.

You're slightly scummy because you've made several comments like the above, which look more geared towards collecting credibility as a voice of reason than actually hunting for scum.

This is what I said back on day one, and I think it still applies. Maybe that's just your style, though.

[BRickAstley]

Well okay, since that's where Pindicator visited/stopped, I'm willing to go with Gazglum as well.

This is also part of the reason I was so set on novice, I knew Pindicator had the kill-block and felt likely that that is why there was one less kill.

Also @ Uber, that secret/activated serial killer role sounds really fun actually, maybe that's your hidden secret? You have claimed 'flavor seer', sanity dropping, and allowed kills later on. If I have that ability, then it will be a surprise to me when it comes up.

Let me review exactly what's happened today before I post more, something is fishy in regards to claims made.

[BRickAstley]

Sry. Had to go walking with the wife. Matt won't say anything and neither will I because its pointless to give more targets. If a target of mine comes up to the block then I may say something. If I prevented a kill should I give more information?

SO.... you don't wanna give the village names of people who might be cleared because it might give the scum a confirmed villager to kill? Those poor scum who only have 3 vigs and a tracker/watcher out in the open to kill, it would be so tragic if they had a 5th or 6th target to choose from.

Sane goes for you Mattimeo, I feel like we're getting enough info collected that clearing someone who would become a "certain target" for wolves is the least of our worries, and narrowing down who is who is more important.

[BRickAstley]

Wait I just saw I missed that Matt tracked Lewwyn going to Jowy day 2. That's what I get for posting as I reread instead of rereading it all first.

[Mattimeo]

Sry. Had to go walking with the wife. Matt won't say anything and neither will I because its pointless to give more targets. If a target of mine comes up to the block then I may say something. If I prevented a kill should I give more information?

SO.... you don't wanna give the village names of people who might be cleared because it might give the scum a confirmed villager to kill? Those poor scum who only have 3 vigs and a tracker/watcher out in the open to kill, it would be so tragic if they had a 5th or 6th target to choose from.

Sane goes for you Mattimeo, I feel like we're getting enough info collected that clearing someone who would become a "certain target" for wolves is the least of our worries, and narrowing down who is who is more important.

Thing is, with the revelation from Lewwyn, his targets are only cleared from being ghouls, not wolves - and I'm not sure we have any ghouls left.

[Gazglum]

Ah, this is a fun kettle of accusation to wake up to. Although not entirely unexpected since Pindicator's soothing words first began to sound in my ears. His recent history with friends was not encouraging.

Pindicator, I suspected that your ability cancelled my own, because I did not get any results last night. That does not mean I was trying to kill anybody, however. I don't know why there wasn't a kill. My guess would be that we do have a doctor, possibly one who also got a save on Night 1 if Lewwyn is telling the truth about his ability. Or does your ability also jail the target Pindicator? What would have happened if someone had targeted me last night?

Anyway, I can see it looks bad, and so I'm willing to claim at this point.

I am the Fragile Seer. I am a regular alignment seer to start with, but susceptible to the madness spreading across the community. After an unspecified drop in town sanity, my night reads will start returning random results. I've been assuming that number is probably 10, maybe 15, but my first two results should still be good.

Night 1 I scanned Ichabod, because I didn't like the MJW voters and his last minute charge was suspect. Also I find Ichabod very hard to get a read on, and he's unlikely to be lynched early. And also, lets be honest, ever since the Morte days I've been paranoid of Ichabod troll-lol-lolling his way to a scum victory and I couldn't handle the idea he might be doing it again.

Ichabod was village, as everybody knows

Night 2 I scanned Zak. Similar reasons I guess - he'd just led the charge on a mislynch, I knew he'd be able to defend himself successfully over it, he's a good player and if he was scum I wanted sweet vengeance for the Futurama game.

Zak is village.

Night 3 I scanned Jkaen, because I don't like policy lynches but we couldn't keep waiting forever for him to contribute more meaningfully. And if he was village, he was going to be a good mislynch target for the scum tomorrow. Also I was getting nervous that my ability might misfire this time, and if it did return a false positive, I would rather it be on a player who wasn't fully involved than say.

Jkaen I don't know about, because my new best friend Pindicator descended on me like a Metroid from above and shut down my magics.

That is the truth, and Uber can confirm my role tonight if he flavour scans me. I'm sorry that after three days the only useful thing I can offer you is, 'Zak is village', although I guess its better than nothing.

And yes, I was keeping somewhat of a low profile this game because I wanted to last as long as possible. My last chance as a seer/cop I didn't manage to use it to gain any successful information at all, so I wanted to do better this time. And also, I really am moving house right now as I said would be when I signed up, and my focus has been a bit more scattered than usual because of real life stress.

I am not a wolf, I am not a ghoul, I am your friend. I don't know why there wasn't a kill last night. I have some ideas about scum, but I think we might be about to have a work meeting here, so I'll pick this up again in an hour.

[pindicator]

My ability does not jail, it only interrupts

So if someone else out there possibly prevented a kill then they probabiy should speak up.

Lewwyn?