WW25 - Game Thread

[BRickAstley]

Quick question Jowy: How are you clearing Lewwyn there? That seems to be a non inconsequential hole in your logic. :P

[Jowy]

Quick question Jowy: How are you clearing Lewwyn there? That seems to be a non inconsequential hole in your logic. :P

if we believe matt, lewwyn is cleared. because lewwyn visited me night 2, and matt tracked lewwyn to confirm. and clearly im alive.
of course chance that they both lie, but somehow i dont see wolf pair likely. huge, long lie. if they pull that off they well damn deserve win.
also if both really wolf, why bring up whole thing and start huge lie that can go wrong? why not just shut up? i dont see two wolf possible.

[Jowy]

reason why one (but not two) of lewwyn/matt being wolf doesn't put hole in my theory:
if lewwyn wolf and matt villager, matt would have lie about night 2, which he would not do as village.
if matt wolf and lewwyn villager, lewwyn still first say he visit me night 2, and as villager he would not lie, so lewwyn clear even if matt wolf.

[Jowy]

basically what i say is lewwyn is cleared villager unless both lewwyn and matt are wolf.

[Mattimeo]

Quick question Jowy: How are you clearing Lewwyn there? That seems to be a non inconsequential hole in your logic. :P

He's clearing Lewwyn by believing Lewwyn's claim. I imagine the fact that Lewwyn's also stated that he protected Jowy two nights running is probably also factoring in somewhat.

Interesting how Gazglum's claimed role becomes weaker as sanity lowers, while BRick's becomes stronger. Self balancing, maybe? Seems odd to have both effects, though.

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[Mattimeo]

reason why one (but not two) of lewwyn/matt being wolf doesn't put hole in my theory:
if lewwyn wolf and matt villager, matt would have lie about night 2, which he would not do as village.
if matt wolf and lewwyn villager, lewwyn still first say he visit me night 2, and as villager he would not lie, so lewwyn clear even if matt wolf.

re: Lewwyn wolf and me town: it's quite possible for wolves to have abilities that target but do not kill. Zak's recent favourite of role-seer, for instance. So the fact I saw him not killing you on N2 doesn't rule out him being scum.

Would have to be something other than role seer for it to make any kind of sense to target you two nights in a row, though. That is definitely more consistent with his claimed role, and idea that maybe there are only ghouls.

[Jowy]

ah that is unfortunate, thought i came up with theory that wins us game.
still think the odds are high of it working though.

what are typical wolf role?

[Jkaen]

My ability does not jail, it only interrupts

So if someone else out there possibly prevented a kill then they probabiy should speak up.

Lewwyn?

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Here's a thought: What if Pindicator is a wolf? No kill on purpose to drive in an easy and guiltless mislynch?

Sorry I've been sparse, but it's been a crazy weekend. I will be able to devote full attention about 4 hours before deadline, and hopefully some before that, though I do need to sleep at some point.

If pind is a wolf, then we have more than 1 no kill to work out what happened, while possible it seems unlikely

I do not like his reasoning in this thread: that zakalwe only has the quicktopic as a power? Obviously I don't believe that as I have this additional power.

Well, I said that yesterday when I didn't want to say why I was actually dismissing Zak as the double voter - I knew he was village, and I don't believe that a village Zak would be secretly splitting his votes, including putting the boot onto his own brother.

I notice that Jkaen hasn't answered even my hypothetical question about whether he thinks the double voter is likely to be scummy.

I dont think the power leans either way, and I think trying to meta a role out like this is very dangerous

My ability does not jail, it only interrupts

So if someone else out there possibly prevented a kill then they probabiy should speak up.

Lewwyn?

I'm a dad.

Eh I visited jowy last night as well.

Congratulations!

I probably missed it, but who did you visit N2?
unvote - I'm not sure I believe Gazglum, but there are unfortunately a few protector-possible roles out there (I'm assuming JKaen is some form of protective role - could you please claim JKaen, now that everyone is out in the open?) so we can't be certain.
The paranoia in me is screaming of a uberfish-Gazglum pairing going all in, but I think its worth waiting to hear whats said.

If we wait on Gazglum, then who?
If I believe Gazglum then its Jowy/Jkaen but I'm really not sure.

Congratulations Lewwyn.

Q I did not prevent the night kill

Quick question Jowy: How are you clearing Lewwyn there? That seems to be a non inconsequential hole in your logic. :P

He's clearing Lewwyn by believing Lewwyn's claim. I imagine the fact that Lewwyn's also stated that he protected Jowy two nights running is probably also factoring in somewhat.

Interesting how Gazglum's claimed role becomes weaker as sanity lowers, while BRick's becomes stronger. Self balancing, maybe? Seems odd to have both effects, though.

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I forget did Brick claim he knew at what value his gets stronger (as opposed to Gazglums who claims not to know)

[Jkaen]

ah that is unfortunate, thought i came up with theory that wins us game.
still think the odds are high of it working though.

what are typical wolf role?

Most common wolf roles we get here are:

Roleblocker
Scan immune (gives false reading on a scan)
Role seer

[Gazglum]

Interesting how Gazglum's claimed role becomes weaker as sanity lowers, while BRick's becomes stronger. Self balancing, maybe? Seems odd to have both effects, though.

It makes sense to me. For one thing, if ALL wolf abilities ran one way and ALL town abilities ran the other, then it would start to become a bit, dare I say, metaish? Also my ability seems like a good way to balance a seer role, which otherwise becomes too strong in the end game.