[SPOILERS] Yossarian blames Caledorn

[YossarianLives]

Turn 70

The first picture just shows where BowAivo's warrior is behind us. Neapolis has built a Monument, it's first building. I took the first culture picture to point out the GG borders, but they also revealed that EggHead borders were also hiding in the fog up there. I considered for a long time sending the quechua to go meet the teams north of the tundra, but in the end I think that uncovering the land around GG is more important.

Demos and stuff:

[YossarianLives]

I know I haven't left much time at all for comments, but I'm going to go ahead and send off those messages. I think it's important not to keep EggHeads and Ponies waiting, and might as well send the simple message to BowAivo.

Speaking of BowAivo, our NAP with them expires in ten turns. How do you guys feel about pushing it out to T130?

Also, teddy messaged us on our shared account saying that he's available to chat about the game anytime. I gave him my personal email for chat purposes.

[YossarianLives]

Marathon Cannibal Ponies already got back to us, briefly:

We certainly agree to a NAP for those turns.

[Old Harry]

Those messages were good, and I agree scouting GG is more important than anything else right now.

The longer you can make the NAPs with everyone else the better - if you want war it seems GG will be more than happy to provide...

[Caledorn]

Great job, Yossarian

[YossarianLives]

And a reply from EggHeads has come in:

Hello,

If your capital is southeast of the silver tile, then I'm not sure we're exactly north-south neighbors, but there's still probably a good chance we'll eventually share a border. (Did you mean southwest of the silver tile instead?)

Yes, all the teams we've met have been north of the snow/tundra area. We're doing our best to contact the remaining four teams.

Now to the important stuff:

-We confirm the NAP to turn 120.
-We confirm that we will stop spending EP after getting your data.
-We confirm that we will offer open borders as soon as possible (not sure if it will be turn 70 depending on who plays, but should be on turn 71 at the latest)
-As for the border agreement, the ice/tundra seems to make it easier for us, as it makes little sense for us to settle cities in the center of that region. Still, we do not currently have a silver resource, and are thus hoping to settle our sixth city in that location to hook up our silver. (The city center will almost certainly be north of the silver, as we would prefer to minimize the amount of tundra/ice in it.) We confirm that our plans for the near future do not involve settling south beyond that silver city.

We'll continue to be in touch with your team regarding other matters in the near future.

Sincerely,
DMOC of Team EggHeads

[YossarianLives]

And a follow-up email:

Team Blame Caledorn,

Apologies for another message, but we would like to discuss two more things.

We are interested in adding a no-scouting clause to our open borders agreement. What do you think?

Second, can you confirm the confidentiality of information in our email exchanges?

Pretty tired so I'll post a reply tomorrow.

[YossarianLives]

Proposed message to EggHeads:

Hi Team EggHeads,

Whoops! You're right of course, our capital is to the southwest, not southeast. Sorry about that confusion, it was Caledorn's fault

Gladiators are just south of the silver tile, retep should find them soon. Careful settling near the area, as they have just completed IW for their Agg Praets. BowAivo is located west of us, but they have a scout southwest of the Gladiators. If you'd like, we could try to coordinate a meeting of your units.

We're fine with the no-scouting clause. We'll keep heading east with Elayne.

Sorry we didn't confirm confidentiality earlier, but of course we agree to that. We already told BowAivo that we met you guys, but we won't say anything to any of the teams about what we discuss.

Take care,

Blame Caledorn

[YossarianLives]

Oh man, we just got another email from EggHeads about an hour ago:

Hi Yos (can I call you 'Yos'? I'm too lazy to type 'blame Caledorn' every time),

Thank you for nice reply to our first message.

Your team opening was very impressive in the PB14.
It seems, right now only 6/10 teams opening was good. (I can't understand what's Pony doing; just click 'next turn'?)
5 out 6 'good' teams are in the North of you. And you are the one 'good' team in the South, according to my classification.
Our own opening was easy and straightforward. Sury has an easy opening, pretty easy to play him 'good' for starting moves.

Thank you for offering OB. I decline in game, cause we didn't talk about scouting or no-scouting clause yet. Our team are ok either way, but with some restriction if we both allow scouting each other.
Would be nice to chat with you, it makes some things clearer.

I'm still waiting you agree to confidentiality. Maybe it goes without saying, but I have to hear it from you.

We would like to share almost all info about Northern teams.
We see your team, right now, as a possible long term ally to us.
Maybe you have a different view on metagame in the long run, but right now our teams has nothing to fear beside our neighbours and runaways, imo.
We could turn this game around if we work together, I think.

Our team interested in:
- Your quechua moves next
- Your ability to establish fast TR with us
- Your diplo with GG and other teams (I expect Pony is irrational)
- Did u talk with Rome about our Chariot and why (very important question)
- Screenshot exchange. Let us be the first:



Our team is wellcome any cooperation with yours.
Could we chat sometimes?

-TeddyKGB

I'm chatting with him right now.

[YossarianLives]

Ok, long chat with TeddyKGB this morning:

YossarianLives
Hi Teddy, you around?
TeddyKGB
hi
who are u?
YossarianLives
YossarianLives
TeddyKGB
nice to meet u sir
YossarianLives
Nice to meet you too
I was just reading your email
TeddyKGB
i'm from russia, sorry if my english isnt perfect
YossarianLives
Sorry we hadn't confirmed earlier. Yes, we agree to confidentiality regarding our communications
TeddyKGB
ok
YossarianLives
Nah, your English is great
We got a couple emails from DMOC last night, not sure if you knew
TeddyKGB
nah, oh, nah, oh cmon, thats nice
yup, we are the same team
DMOC is the leader
YossarianLives
Haha, I know. Just your recent email mentioned some if the same things
TeddyKGB
i'm just a dedlurker
YossarianLives
We're not as quick to respond as you guys are!
TeddyKGB
its ok
i'm not expect u told everything in one chat msg
YossarianLives
We like how you've treated us so far and we are also interested in a long term partnership / alliance
TeddyKGB
what was diplo with GG, pony and other team was like for u so far?
YossarianLives
Pony we just meet, diplo gas been fine so far
TeddyKGB
i expect pony is irrational
based on their posts in tech tread
YossarianLives
I've chatted a bit with classy before this game started. Good guy, but seems some civ skills still need to be developed
TeddyKGB
yep, thought so
YossarianLives
We're a little concerned about GG. They have been very silent diplomatically
I blame Caledorn for that, of course
TeddyKGB
could you tell me more about GG?
we have some plan about GG but not sure its viable
YossarianLives
What do you want to know? Like I said, they have been silent, so our knowledge about their plans are somewhat... murky
TeddyKGB
GG cap location?
btw
r u SW or SE from us?
u said SE, but I think u just mistaken
YossarianLives
We are sw, that was our bad
TeddyKGB
15-16 tiles?
north=south
*-
sorry, i'm pretty drunk right now
YossarianLives
GG capital location is mostly south, a little east of that silver tile
Fairly close, maybe about 6-10 tiles south of the silver?
TeddyKGB
could u tell GG cap exact location from our silver tile?
YossarianLives
I probably can, but I'm on my phone now so don't have the pictures
TeddyKGB
ok, hope u'll tell us
our confidentiality stays
i did mention to India we met u, tho
YossarianLives
No problem. That's Care Bearsright?
TeddyKGB
yep, fucking runaway
IMP is fun
for 1st 75-90 turns
YossarianLives
They're not imp, are they?
TeddyKGB
our continet: us-carebear-MM-SutOxy-LP-Us again
YossarianLives
I thought they're Vickie
brb
TeddyKGB
ok
could u send us some screenshot?
i'm curiouss about rome mastly
*mostly
YossarianLives
What are your plans with Rome?
Be careful with those guys, they just finished IW
Their land is still mostly fogged for us
Give me a minute, let me see if I can find a good screenshot
Ok, their capital is ten tiles south, four tiles east of the silver
TeddyKGB
could you send us screenshot?
AGG Rome is a problem for all
YossarianLives
Yes they are. At least in this age. Soon enough they'll be too far behind to do anything
Unless they are able to easily take dinosaur or pony lands
TeddyKGB
truth, did u told Rome our chariot close?
YossarianLives
I'm not at a computer now, but when I am I can send a screenshot
TeddyKGB
ok
ty
YossarianLives
No, we haven't said anything to Rome about your chariot
You can probably see their borders in the fog in the south, right?
TeddyKGB
how diplo with rome in general?
i expect they are avoid diplo?
YossarianLives
Oh, btw, were fine with your no-scouting clause
TeddyKGB
we see their borders
YossarianLives
Yeah, pretty much
TeddyKGB
we thinking about sudden attack now
ok, no-scouting
will u move ur quechua NE next?
YossarianLives
No, we'll probably had southeast in general with the quechua
TeddyKGB
to tell the truth I want u move ur quechua NE
YossarianLives
I like what you're thinking
Why ne?
TeddyKGB
well, we need some protection from barbs in that region and u'll contact India soon
i wish u move elayne that way, but its not necessary for our friendship
YossarianLives
Hmmm, well we can consider that
TeddyKGB
we'll provide u with more screenshots if u move that way
YossarianLives
We wanted to finish mapping out the land north of the Romans, but if you are willing to send screenshots of that area, we can probably fogbust to your east
Nice!
TeddyKGB
Romans wher is that?
sorry
oh
i'm drunk
YossarianLives
Rome is just south of the silver. GG
LOL, no problem
I'm walking the dog and chatting on my phone, so I'm probably not being very clear or timely
TeddyKGB
ok, we have no full land map north of rome
but we have some fast way to India for u
YossarianLives
No, but I imagine you will soon if you are attacking them
TeddyKGB
oh, cmon
YossarianLives
We are trying to locate their iron resource
TeddyKGB
we are peaceful race of eggheads
all we wana do is build libraries
YossarianLives
Haha, I like your city names by the way
TeddyKGB
names is DMOC's odea
*idea
YossarianLives
How are your relations with India? I have been impressed how quickly they're expanding. And getting a wonder on top of that
TeddyKGB
lets get back to the rome
india is a pain
YossarianLives
I told Caledorn I don't envy you stuck between LP and Care Bears
Sure, back to Rome
TeddyKGB
they actually pink dot us with city#6
YossarianLives
Yeah, that sucks
TeddyKGB
still, we have good relations with india atm
YossarianLives
We've been able to cooperate with BowAivo to the west, and there is a large no-man's-land between us and GG
TeddyKGB
i was consider early war with CareBears, but opportunity costs is too much
could you tell me your teams lay out?
here we have
us--carebears--MM--OS--LP--us again
YossarianLives
Yes, it is us-GG-??(probably dinos)-ponies-BowAivo-us again
TeddyKGB
so, we have shifted 5*2 layout?
YossarianLives
We haven't actually found an east-west land wrap, so that's just an assumption that it circles back to us
Yeah, I think so
Unless dinosaurs are off on an island by themselves somewhere
TeddyKGB
ok, free info. Plako is a troll
tundra and ecuator land switch
YossarianLives
Yeah, we had no idea about that before we got your first email
TeddyKGB
^^
YossarianLives
I assume there is ocean to your north
TeddyKGB
same to ur south
YossarianLives
Yup
TeddyKGB
there could be islands
dont tell anyone
YossarianLives
We won't mention it. We haven't seen any islands except small one-tile islands near the starting locations
TeddyKGB
same here
what about stone/marble?
i did see first marble this turn, close to rome border
imo, all teams starting positions are pretty similar: fish+saltlake+2 good resource
YossarianLives
Yes, that is the only source of either resource that we've seen
Yes, we've seen the same
We're going back to look at the tundra closet to pie capital to see if we can't uncover a hidden stone or marble
*closer to our capital
TeddyKGB
did u find furs or ivory?
YossarianLives
Nope, neither
Just gold and silver
TeddyKGB
ok, our team has dye and 3*spice for now
YossarianLives
We saw another silver in the tundra closer to our capital
TeddyKGB
gold was pretty close to each capitol
YossarianLives
We have dye also
I don't remember if we have spice or something different
TeddyKGB
what resource u could trade with us?
in the long run
YossarianLives
I have to look
TeddyKGB
ok, nvm.
right now, we can offer just spice for 20-25 turns ahead
non FIN is a killer
YossarianLives
Yes! And maintenance costs have been really bad
TeddyKGB
yup
YossarianLives
Back to Rome. What are your plans, how can we help?
TeddyKGB
ok back to rome
what is ur relation with them?
i mean in diplo
YossarianLives
They have not said a word to us
TeddyKGB
rly?
YossarianLives
We met them on t29
TeddyKGB
wtf?
YossarianLives
They ignored or greeting and in game messages, and follow up email
TeddyKGB
i guess rome is another irrational horse on that race
YossarianLives
Yeah
We're taking their power closely and can see their research
*tracking
TeddyKGB
would u like to exchange power graph screenshot?
we have EP on India, MM
next turn we'll get graphs on LP
YossarianLives
Yeah we'll do that
We only have Romans
TeddyKGB
good enough
for me
YossarianLives
We'll get BowAivo soon
We haven't even started spending with you or classy yet
TeddyKGB
check ur mail
2-3 min
YossarianLives
Ok
I'll send to you in like an hour
TeddyKGB
India is expanding in peace so far
but, thats our team fault
YossarianLives
India will need to be addressed at some point. They have played a very strong opening
TeddyKGB
we debated about DoW tho
YossarianLives
I don't know how they got so many cities and wonder and tech
TeddyKGB
their tech rate is slow
YossarianLives
Oh well that's good
TeddyKGB
they still missing AH, as I know
just Food/MFG push
YossarianLives
They have a religion
TeddyKGB
yup
confu
i can tell u more
YossarianLives
Maybe that is why they have good hnp
*gnp
TeddyKGB
ok, India on hinduism and LP on buddhism
i think LP was close to take oracle
but Yuufo was faster
now LP make a run on Mids
YossarianLives
Huh, I don't know who I would have preferred to get it. At least LP wasted hammers
TeddyKGB
its just a specuation
YossarianLives
How do you know? Good c&d?
TeddyKGB
no, lets just say its all ... nevermind
YossarianLives
Haha, ok
TeddyKGB
i dont reveil some info fromother teams here
YossarianLives
Gotcha
TeddyKGB
do u make a run on mids?
YossarianLives
No, we don't even have masonry
TeddyKGB
have u seen stone?
YossarianLives
We were thinking GLH would be nice, but probably not very likely we could get it
No, only the marble that is near your silver, no other marble or stone
TeddyKGB
GLH did mention by other team to us
YossarianLives
Good to know. We're not even close, so probably won't waste time on masonry in that case
TeddyKGB
To not break anything, GLH was mention as a goood wonder to have on this map
Our team not thinking about GLH
YossarianLives
Yeah, definitely. Most of our cities so far are coastal
TeddyKGB
I think mids would be nice for ur team
i'm afraid LP is on the mids plan for some time
we are not in GLH race
YossarianLives
As Spi? Yeah, probably, but so expensive without stone, and competing against some really top notch teams makes it unlikely we'll get them
TeddyKGB
ok, ty, our team run for mids now
LOL
we have stone btw
should we run for mids?
YossarianLives
Oh nice! We were almost thinking there was no stone or marble on the map
Ok, gtg. Thanks for the great chat
We're very interested in talking more about an attack against the Romans
TeddyKGB
anytime
YossarianLives
ttyl
TeddyKGB
hmm
anytime???
attack them now?

tldr:

TeddyKGB
how diplo with rome in general?
i expect they are avoid diplo?
we see their borders
YossarianLives
Yeah, pretty much
TeddyKGB
we thinking about sudden attack now

We have agreed to trade power screenshots. They asked us to move our quechua NE, away from GG and towards Care Bears, but they will send us screenshots of the Roman lands as they uncover it. They have stone and want to know what resources we can trade with them long-term. All in all, a very good chat