PB24 IT and Tech issues thread

[Krill]

It was also made as a response to Krill to show that there were more options than to scrap the game entirely. My suggestion was only to vote on the huts quickly as a way of possibly keeping JoJo in the game. But if pindicator has chosen to sub for JoJo, we no longer have a problem. For the record, pindicator spoke up after my initial post.

So we either vote on huts for a fresh restart, or agree to proceed with the original tech gains in place. I really don't care about the extra beakers either, to be honest.

I'm not sure I want to play in a game where people are going to be this anal about their own mistakes TBH.

For example, I'm fine with everyone saying "OK, Espionage isn't on, it should have been but for a comedy of errors including my own inaction, so we'll play on as is". This option is by far the easiest one to take, requires no effort on anmy ones part and we just keep on playing the turns and bemoaning Thoths luck and our lack of it in our own threads.

However, some people have intimated that they are going to quit if we don't restart with espionage on. So we need subs if we play on. Then others don't see why they should be penalized by restarting from a clean slate because they have had good luck in this game, yet different players will quit if they aren't penalized. So in either case then we need more subs anyway.

I'm sitting here amazed by the fact that people are not accepting that they had a responsibility to check the god damned settings. And to be clear, this is why I kinda want to end this game now: I don't trust everyone to work for a compromise if anything difficult occurs later on in the game, which is a certainty IMO. To which point, if people here want to start going over the game settings again in a restart, I'm out. I'm not going through what is a CFCDG setup phase, not with you guys. It's not worth it.

So I'm going to stoop down to everyone else's level here: We either play on with what we have, or we take what Xenu gives us, thankful that he is giving up his time to sort out our mistakes, or I'm out with GermanJoJo. Because this game isn't worth arguing over.

[Donovan Zoi]

I'm sitting here amazed by the fact that people are not accepting that they had a responsibility to check the god damned settings. And to be clear, this is why I kinda want to end this game now: I don't trust everyone to work for a compromise if anything difficult occurs later on in the game, which is a certainty IMO. To which point, if people here want to start going over the game settings again in a restart, I'm out. I'm not going through what is a CFCDG setup phase, not with you guys. It's not worth it.

I am not sure if you were even aware of me long enough for that to be a shot at my résumé, but it is a point well taken. I am fully aware that this cannot be handled in drawn out CFC DemoGame style since I have lived it. I guess old habits die hard because I am applying some of those techniques, but there is not a mountain of laws to derail any of the decisions we make here.

I am more than delighted to let the healing begin:

I wholeheartedly acknowledge my role in this debacle by neglecting to check the settings at Turn 0. As this is only my second MP game starting from the beginning, I let my excitement for the game overtake my good sense to make sure all game settings were accurate. I will be mindful of this in future games.

Respectfully,
Donovan Zoi
CFC DemoGame Moderator Emeritus

PS please take this response with the levity it was given. I just want Xenu to be able to hook us up tonight.

[Grimace]

I will continue to play regardless of what happens.

[wetbandit]

I will reiterate that I will abide by any solution, but if we can't reach a consensus, this looks like a scrap.

[Caledorn]

My strong suggestion, to salvage this rather (sorry for my bluntness) ridiculous situation, is that you all let xenu make the call for what to do. And that people abide by that decision.

[SevenSpirits]

In PBEM11 we needed to turn barbarians off mid-game, when it was discovered they were on. We did this by creating a custom DLL file that turned off the NO BARBS setting and removed all barbs from the map when the game was loaded with it. I think we can do the same here and thereby turn off NO ESPIONAGE mid-game.

I'll do this. But fuck all of you for not giving me the correct settings, not checking the settings when you first logged in like I specifically reminded you to do, and not being able to handle the resolution of this problem in a civilized way by yourselves. Especially those of you who have played many times before and KNOW you need to check settings and starting techs - come on guys. I spent hours making you a map and you can't spend 20 seconds making sure your own game's settings are correct?

I am going to work now. If I get unanimous approval for this plan from the players, and someone points me to the correct mod source files, and someone sends me the current save, and no one points out that there's something I'm missing that will make it not work with the mod, I will work on it when I next have time.

[Caledorn]

That's a brilliant way of resolving this, Seven! Ten thumbs up!

[Krill]

and someone points me to the correct mod source files

Thank you for the offer Seven, but this may be an issue. I don't know where these are, the only three people that have used them are you, T-hawk and novice.

[luddite]

Wait, what?

SevenSpirits and Caledorn, you guys aren't playing in this. I respect your opinions, and I'm grateful to you for making the map/hosting the pitboss, but you don't get to vote on this. Of the people actually *playing* in the game, we have a majority in favor of a restart with Xenu's fix, and so far zero people (other than JoJo) dropping out. This isn't some hopeless impass that we can't solve. It's not a perfect solution but it doesn't trample on anyone's toes too badly. The way forward is clear.

[Krill]

I quit, get a sub if you want to carry on, you ungrateful piece of shit.