RB PBEM 2 - de Krill of Fronce

[Krill]

I'll update when we know what we are doing with this game later.

[Krill]

Current Technology Agreements

Darrell

Give MC for free, IW, HBR
Receive: Poly, Masonry, Mono, Maths

Square Leg

Give: HBR+IW
Receive: Writing + Alphabet

Yazilliclick

Give HBR+IW
Receive: Monarchy

Dreylin

None

Ruff

Give: HBR, IW
Receive: Sailing, Hunting, Archery, and remember the favour.


Other Current Agreements

Darrell

Give: None compete for GLH, Judaism
Receive: None compete Henge, Oracle, Collosus

Square Leg

None

Yazilliclick

None

Dreylin

None

Ruff

A favour...

[Krill]

OK, so I got the description slightly wrong above...

Here is a picture:

http://s554.photobucket.com/albums/jj417...viewt4.jpg

Post 2 (moved to make space above):

OK, I'll do some pictures in future posts, but I'll give a basic text overview here:

I like my start in this game.

Capital has clams, grass pigs and unirrigated corn. 2 grass hills on the same peninsula as capital, 2 more grass hills on another peninsula of the same island. There are 3 fish that I can see that I can easily settle for for cities 2-4, and I have already identified the Moia city, on a plains hill 3 tiles from the capital, which will get the grass pigs and a fish to speed growth. Could also turn out to be a solid NE city, or HE city, probably the latter.

I have jungle gems, and alot of jungle grassland to the south and south east of my capital, so I need to beeline IW something special.

I've already been in contact with Darrell, and said I'm not going to compete with him to build the GL, but he'll not compete with me for the Collosus or Henge, which I want for my charismatic trait and lack of Creative.

I went Mining and worker first; I'll go fishing next and then build a workboat for the clams and farm the corn (already have agri), then BW, then pottery/AH then reconsider my position. I probably want at least 2 work boats out there exploring.

[Krill]

Oh, and I just had a chat with Ruff. I nailed his diplomacy style in the first chat.

Starting the diplomacy set up. I'm definitely gouing to try and sell as much tech as I can too Ruff, hopefully I can keep him close enough to the front of the game that he can go tokugawa style nuts and cripple a few other players...

(1:48:57 PM) de krill of Fronce: Yo dude, you around?
(1:49:30 PM) de krill of Fronce: I wanted to chat about Rb PBEM2 if that is possible.
(1:50:16 PM) Ruff: shot
(1:50:19 PM) Ruff: shoot
(1:50:28 PM) de krill of Fronce: I think I drastiaclly need to go for IW
(1:50:46 PM) de krill of Fronce: Would yuo be interested in a trade for IW?
(1:51:19 PM) Ruff: got lots of jungle?
(1:51:25 PM) de krill of Fronce: Looking that way.
(1:51:31 PM) Ruff: me too
(1:51:49 PM) de krill of Fronce: Probably enough space for a city, maybe two more without neededing to chop
(1:52:33 PM) Ruff: you must be slightly closer to the equator than I am
(1:52:51 PM) de krill of Fronce: Probably, yeah
(1:53:06 PM) de krill of Fronce: and thanks to the map setting, no land to the north...
(1:53:43 PM) Ruff: well - not much land anyway
(1:53:48 PM) Ruff: met anyone yet?
(1:53:54 PM) de krill of Fronce: no...
(1:53:56 PM) de krill of Fronce: you?
(1:54:05 PM) Ruff: oh ... and we don't need a spamming thread - the tracker will do fine
(1:54:05 PM) de krill of Fronce: I'd have been slightly concerned if I met someone this early
(1:54:08 PM) Ruff: and no, not yet
(1:55:23 PM) de krill of Fronce: Well, I think at least one person is heading for alphabet
(1:55:33 PM) Ruff: wow - that was quick
(1:55:41 PM) de krill of Fronce: hmm?
(1:56:01 PM) Ruff: you mean 1 person SHOULD head toeards alphabet
(1:56:28 PM) de krill of Fronce: I know of at least one person who has explicitly stated they want an early alphabet
(1:56:28 PM) Ruff: and you don't want to be that person
(1:56:35 PM) de krill of Fronce: I don;t mind being that person
(1:56:40 PM) de krill of Fronce: b7ut not going to fight them for it
(1:56:44 PM) Ruff: oh - you have talked to the others?
(1:56:51 PM) de krill of Fronce: yeah.
(1:57:00 PM) Ruff: can I ask who?
(1:57:06 PM) Ruff: yes I can ... who?
(1:57:50 PM) de krill of Fronce: Aren't you supposed to be roleplaying Tokugawa?
(1:58:32 PM) Ruff: I have drawn up my version of Toku and I have not violated it yet
(1:58:52 PM) de krill of Fronce: Cool
(1:58:57 PM) Ruff: so ... who?
(2:00:04 PM) de krill of Fronce: I'm a little hesitant to say who is researching it; I'm not averse to passing along diplomacy, but at this stage of the game it could do quite alot of long term damage.
(2:00:07 PM) de krill of Fronce: However
(2:00:14 PM) de krill of Fronce: You do have only 4 players to talk to.
(2:00:57 PM) Ruff: got kicked out of chat
(2:01:01 PM) Ruff: missed that last
(2:01:23 PM) de krill of Fronce: I'm a little hesitant to say who is researching it; I'm not averse to passing along diplomacy, but at this stage of the game it could do quite alot of long term damage.
(2:01:32 PM) de krill of Fronce: However
(2:00:14 PM) de krill of Fronce: You do have only 4 players to talk to.
(2:01:58 PM) Ruff: fair enough
(2:02:32 PM) de krill of Fronce: I'd definitely tell you if we did get some sort of trade set up
(2:03:06 PM) de krill of Fronce: And I'd tell you for sure if I got a trade set up for Alphabet
(2:03:32 PM) de krill of Fronce: Not like i'm going to set up an alliance and then stick to it religiously, UTA style
(2:03:44 PM) de krill of Fronce: Or even set up an alliance.
(2:03:59 PM) Ruff: great - any news of the outside world is valued by Japan
(2:04:26 PM) de krill of Fronce: You aren't going to contact anyone, are you?
(2:04:37 PM) de krill of Fronce: You are only going to interact when other players aproach you.
(2:04:40 PM) Ruff: what do you mean by that>
(2:04:41 PM) Ruff: ?
(2:05:04 PM) de krill of Fronce: Are you roleplaying toku along hte lines ofh te splendid isolation Epic?
(2:05:12 PM) de krill of Fronce: one day I'll learn to type
(2:05:35 PM) Ruff: I am not familiar with this Epic that you are talking about
(2:05:40 PM) Ruff: who is that person?
(2:05:46 PM) de krill of Fronce: ok
(2:05:51 PM) de krill of Fronce: Sorry I said that.
(2:05:58 PM) Ruff: but basically - you nailed it
(2:06:09 PM) de krill of Fronce: Please accept Fronces' sincere apologies
(2:06:13 PM) de krill of Fronce: ;()
(2:06:16 PM) Ruff: but do not tell the others that you have worked out how to deal with Japan
(2:06:23 PM) de krill of Fronce: np
(2:06:48 PM) Ruff: I ran an experiement in pbem1 - does spying work ... I think I showed that it did
(2:07:01 PM) Ruff: I am running an experiment in this game too
(2:07:16 PM) de krill of Fronce: Good luck with the experiment :0
(2:07:22 PM) de krill of Fronce: *
(2:07:23 PM) Ruff: thx
(2:08:21 PM) Ruff: talk to you later
(2:09:34 PM) de krill of Fronce: yup, cya

[Krill]

And chat with Squareleg. I would like to trade IW for Alphabet. It's a rare tech trade if you can pull it off, but it's pretty solid. Also need to talk with Darrell about this.

I'm also starting to wonder if I can Oracle MC and go balls out for Collosus. Possibly after Henge and just turn the capital into the NE city using wonders as the main source of GPP (as Obselete has illustrated a thoasand times on CFC). If I get a granary I can slave out settlers fast enough considering the insane amount jungle I have to deal with.

(1:08:51 PM) de krill of Fronce: Yo dude, you around atm?
(1:11:51 PM) Squareleg: Yep
(1:12:25 PM) de krill of Fronce: Can I make an offer of a tech trade to you?
(1:12:38 PM) Squareleg: of course - always open to offers!
(1:12:53 PM) de krill of Fronce: I think I need IW, fairly drastically as it happens
(1:13:18 PM) de krill of Fronce: Would you be willing to trade it to me for alphabet?
(1:13:33 PM) de krill of Fronce: or vice versa
(1:14:40 PM) Squareleg: As it happens - I might be stopping via alpha fairly early on, Just checking the beaker costs...
(1:14:52 PM) de krill of Fronce: IW is cheaper than alpha
(1:15:04 PM) de krill of Fronce: so I'm willing to offer something else in exchange
(1:15:25 PM) de krill of Fronce: I don't know what you would like though
(1:17:49 PM) Squareleg: let me have a think, we are looking at 100 beakers at normal... I'll get back to you shortly if thats ok.
(1:18:15 PM) de krill of Fronce: np
(1:20:43 PM) de krill of Fronce: I suppose I should adfd a caveat
(1:20:48 PM) de krill of Fronce: *add
(1:20:56 PM) de krill of Fronce: I'd like a no trade clause on both techs
(1:21:02 PM) de krill of Fronce: ie
(1:21:26 PM) de krill of Fronce: You don;t trade IW+whatever to anyone else, and I don;t trade alphabet to anyone else
(1:21:47 PM) de krill of Fronce: or we specify beforehand who we wanted to pass it onto.
(1:24:34 PM) Squareleg: Ok - I'll consider this but my only concern is that it negates the trade value of Apha - usually a fairly tradeable tech.
(1:25:55 PM) de krill of Fronce: Oh
(1:26:00 PM) de krill of Fronce: No, what I mean is
(1:26:04 PM) de krill of Fronce: if you research alphabet
(1:26:10 PM) de krill of Fronce: you can trade it to whoever you want
(1:26:17 PM) de krill of Fronce: same with me researching IW
(1:26:22 PM) de krill of Fronce: I can trade it to whomever I want
(1:26:28 PM) de krill of Fronce: but I won;t trade the tech I recieve from you
(1:26:37 PM) de krill of Fronce: and you promise not to trade the tech you recieve from me
(1:56:23 PM) Squareleg: Ahhhh.. ok. I get it! It's been a long week!
(1:57:05 PM) Squareleg: Obviously for a trade to happen, we will need to meet. I assume your need for IW means you are on some sort of jungle island?
(1:57:16 PM) de krill of Fronce: Correct in essentials
(1:57:37 PM) Squareleg: Sorry for the slow replies! I'm trying to work at the same time!
(1:58:13 PM) de krill of Fronce: np
(1:59:42 PM) Squareleg: OK - once we have some explorers out there it might be worth pooling our efforts to try and meet. I have spied a couple of desert tiles already so I am either north or south of the jungle. Catch up again soon.
(2:00:33 PM) de krill of Fronce: Cool
(2:00:38 PM) de krill of Fronce: I'm slightly to the north ofh te jungle

[Krill]

And then I receive this from Ruff. I may end up trying to get very tight with Ruff, the more I think about it...

(2:17:35 PM) ruff.hi: Krill - I'm just posting our chat to rb and noticed that I missed your 4th line
(2:17:47 PM) ruff.hi: "Would yuo be interested in a trade for IW?"
(2:18:11 PM) ruff.hi: yes I would ... what would you value in return?
(2:18:48 PM) de krill of Fronce: I don't really mind. Maths could be useful
(2:19:00 PM) de krill of Fronce: and I'd have to offer a small tech to even it out
(2:19:20 PM) ruff.hi: that sounds promising
(2:19:29 PM) de krill of Fronce: Maths also opens up alot of techs for you to go after as well afteerwards
(2:19:37 PM) ruff.hi: I cannot lock that down at the moment as I am miles away from both of them ... but I will keep it in mind
(2:19:40 PM) de krill of Fronce: Calendar for instance could get alot of people asking you for it
(2:19:47 PM) de krill of Fronce: yeah.
(2:19:54 PM) de krill of Fronce: I'm not exactly close to IW either
(2:20:13 PM) ruff.hi: ok - I'll enter it in pencil on my dance card ... lol
(2:20:26 PM) de krill of Fronce:
(2:22:07 PM) de krill of Fronce: Monarchy would be useful, but I think others will set up trades for that, so you might have problems going that way.
(2:23:09 PM) ruff.hi: ok - thanks for the information about the outside world
(2:23:19 PM) de krill of Fronce: Anything to help a friend
(2:23:47 PM) ruff.hi:

[Krill]

And here was my chat with Darrell.

I'm not happy if this game devolves into tech alliances. Really not happy. But I think I may have to let it happen to get my hands on MC and Collosus asap. Probably worth trying for an early religion tbh, I'm going Fishing next, we'll see what happens once that has finished. I'm not going to tell Ruff this until it is a fait accompli, and then I'm going gift him at least everything I have researched.

(4:53:42 PM) de krill of Fronce: Hey mate, you available for a chat?
(4:53:52 PM) de krill of Fronce: Not a long one, I promise
(4:54:28 PM) Darrell Stogner: yup
(4:54:38 PM) Darrell Stogner: saw your post in the email thread, figured id get my turn in
(4:54:40 PM) Darrell Stogner: what's up?
(4:55:03 PM) de krill of Fronce: I have scouted a little further, and realise I need to head for IW
(4:55:12 PM) Darrell Stogner: hmm...jungle then
(4:55:17 PM) de krill of Fronce: I was wondering if you would be interested in trading for it?
(4:55:20 PM) de krill of Fronce: Yup, exactly
(4:55:21 PM) Darrell Stogner: shall we start coordinating tech paths
(4:55:43 PM) de krill of Fronce: I wouldn't mind tbh
(4:55:52 PM) Darrell Stogner: I do not have an immediate need for jungle clearance, so I can delay IW until we have alphabet
(4:55:55 PM) Darrell Stogner: so thats good.
(4:56:47 PM) Darrell Stogner: My immediate tech path plans are AH, BW, Sailing, Masonry. After that I plan on going for Judaism. Depending on things, I could go for alphabet next
(4:57:00 PM) de krill of Fronce: Well...
(4:57:09 PM) de krill of Fronce: Got a secondary deal for you
(4:57:35 PM) de krill of Fronce: Along the lines of the previous GLH/Collousus one
(4:57:46 PM) Darrell Stogner: okay, what's the deal?
(4:58:01 PM) Darrell Stogner: (predicts the oracle is involved)
(4:59:10 PM) de krill of Fronce: You don't go for the Oracle and I don't go for Monotheism. I'm aiming for MC. I'm obviously happy to trade you MC and IW, due to you agreeing to give me the shot at Collosus. I'm going to be heading up via meditation and priesthood
(4:59:18 PM) Darrell Stogner: right
(4:59:31 PM) Darrell Stogner: so I was also looking at the oracle fairly aggressively, but also for metal casting.
(4:59:37 PM) de krill of Fronce: So med+ph+IW+MC is probably close to Mono+poly+masonry+alphabet.
(4:59:44 PM) de krill of Fronce: This way it wouldn;t cost you the 150 hammers
(5:00:16 PM) Darrell Stogner: right, but the hammers are worth the beakers in this case. so I would request a discount on metal casting
(5:00:40 PM) de krill of Fronce: Once you send me the save I'll tot up the beakers
(5:00:53 PM) Darrell Stogner: I mean, I'd even be willing to get the oracle and trade you metal casting with a dicount, if you would rather have th ehammers...we can work it out.
(5:01:07 PM) Darrell Stogner: Okay, tomorrow I will come up with a few proposals and send them to you.
(5:01:14 PM) de krill of Fronce: But SquareLeg also said he was heading for Alphabet...something to consider
(5:01:17 PM) de krill of Fronce: cool
(5:01:47 PM) Darrell Stogner: Yes...we need to pull him in. With the two of us and the PHI civ, the other three won't be able to keep up.
(5:01:57 PM) Darrell Stogner: I'll work out some three way deals that require him to bulb .
(5:02:41 PM) de krill of Fronce: It's possible, yeah. He might go for hte early academy as well
(5:02:49 PM) Darrell Stogner: yeah
(5:02:51 PM) de krill of Fronce: then gold funding is possible
(5:03:00 PM) de krill of Fronce: and if you want the shrine for judaism
(5:03:17 PM) de krill of Fronce: I'm probably OK with Henge for a prohphet for myself for somepoint in the game
(5:03:22 PM) Darrell Stogner: you'll be gettiung a prophet with the oracle and henge
(5:03:31 PM) Darrell Stogner: maybe more than one
(5:03:39 PM) Darrell Stogner: and i'll be getting a GM with tGL.
(5:03:50 PM) de krill of Fronce: Unless you want the Oracle for a shrine of your own
(5:03:54 PM) Darrell Stogner: We could cash that into a ToA city and figure out some way to split the cash
(5:04:01 PM) Darrell Stogner: I was thinking oracle myself for the prophet
(5:04:01 PM) de krill of Fronce: Which is a plus for you bukilding it, going for judaism
(5:04:05 PM) Darrell Stogner: yes
(5:04:16 PM) Darrell Stogner: I'll definitely lay out at least one scenario along that line.
(5:04:34 PM) Darrell Stogner: sent you the save, but pbem tracker still says it is my turn...
(5:04:38 PM) Darrell Stogner: I think due to your name save
(5:04:42 PM) Darrell Stogner: name change
(5:04:45 PM) de krill of Fronce: de_Krill
(5:05:40 PM) Darrell Stogner: It sent you the save, it just fooled the tracker I think.
(5:06:00 PM) de krill of Fronce: Not recieved it yet
(5:06:51 PM) Darrell Stogner: sent via regular e-mail just in case the tracker got really confused.
(5:07:04 PM) de krill of Fronce: I think the tracker got really confused
(5:07:16 PM) Darrell Stogner: heh-heh...well, you should be getting it soon enough.
(5:08:14 PM) Darrell Stogner: a'right man, I am going to get get lunch going. I'll get you some proposals tomorrow. Should I include SL in the initial round of emails, or do you want to sync up first before I add him?
(5:08:33 PM) de krill of Fronce: I think I'll try to sync up with him later on
(5:08:38 PM) Darrell Stogner: ok, sounds good
(5:08:41 PM) Darrell Stogner: later...
(5:08:43 PM) de krill of Fronce: We don;t knnow what he has done so far...
(5:08:45 PM) de krill of Fronce: cya

On the whole, if Darrell stuck to such a deal, I would have no reason to complain. I have no reason not to trust him either. And it would allow me to head for IW sooner...I have 2 gems to the south that I can see. Probably have to settle city 3 5S1E of Paris (need a new theme btw). Along with cheap forges that is size 8 in all cities, so I don't really need HR asap.

Probably looking at a tech path of Fishing>Myst, build a workboat, grow to size 4 then power out Henge in 7. AH is kinda overkill for me...and I can settle a fair few cities once I have IW...

[Krill]

From Dreylin:

Hey de Krill,

While in general I think it's really too early to be arranging trades - I mean I can only see a 5x5 square of the map so far - I don't have any immediate plans to research IW, so I should think we'll be able to swing some kind of deal when the time comes.

Dreylinian I

Interesting. Very non-committal.

[Krill]

Discovered another fish. That makes...5? And a clams, pig, irrigated corn, plus two gems. And while I have jungle, at least that is grassland underneath, so I'm happy. I have enough land to expand into before I need to worry about IW, lots of food, a decent choice of dot maps so I have to think instead of planting for food, and a decent leader to give me options.

I like this map

[T-hawk]

I like this map

That's a first!