[Spoilers] AT (Charlie/Mongolia) has a thread. In which he shall post.

[AutomatedTeller]

The knotty problem of city #2 (well, city #3, but the second settler I build):





The question is, whether I put the city on the red circle or the blue circle. Both have positives and negatives:

Short term:

Red gets me horse and copper, both of which are important. It, however, has less food than blue circle (grass sheep is 5 food, vs 4 for FP, and is improved faster), which makes it easy to build granary/barracks for border pop. Blue has more food, but requires a border pop for copper, so I won't get that for awhile (either at this site or the southern one)

Red also preserves a forest.

Long term:

If we pasture/farm/mine everything, Red has a food surplus of 3 at it's max size of 17 (I presume I'll give the 4th FP to city #2 but keep the desert hill.

Blue has a food deficit at it's max of 18 (that's assuming it uses the shared grass hill but not the ivory, but slightly more hammers. That's offset a bit by the fact that red will have 7 tiles that levee bonuses, as opposed to 6 for blue.

I think the right choice is probably red (the desert hill), but its a surprisingly difficult decision. I could just say screw it and settle the desert copper, I suppose...


btw - this is how strong imp is. Say I settle red and I want to get the grass sheep. I can:

1) tech mysticism and build a monument
2) just build a barracks
3) build a settler and plop a city down on the coast.

It is nearly as cheap and definitley faster to build a settler than it is to build a barracks, and doesn't take 3 turns away from teching for math.

[AutomatedTeller]

huh - I have run out of micro plan.

I have done some simming and it looks like the best plan for the cap is to:

Build a worker for the next 5 turns.
The turn before getting pottery, whip the worker.
The overflow gets me a 1 turn granary.
Then build warriors as I regrow.
Build another worker, then a settler (for horse/copper) and then 2 more workers (horse/copper needs a lot of worker support)

I'm not yet sure what the plan is with the new city (which I think will be named Huh?, for a winner this year that showed that huh is a word in basically every language) - I think it's warrior->granary as soon as it is available->whip in granary->finish warrior->warrior->to grow to size 4->whip in settler->warrior to grow->whip in worker, but I'm not sure.

Still planning on going pottery->writing->math, but maybe I should consider pottery->myst->masonry - some wonder fail gold might be useful. Archery is something I might want, as well.

[MindyMcCready]

Hey AT,

Nice thread.

[AutomatedTeller]

Hey AT,

Nice thread.

Danke I hope to have better fortune - I managed to survive PB 18 till the end - and even took out someone along the way...

[AutomatedTeller]

Turn 29, In Which AT Leaves His Worker To The Wolves

The big risk!! if a wolf (or a panther, i suppose) is hanging out on the FP tile next to the desert hill, I could lose my worker!! The tension is palpable!! Has AT gone crazy? is this risk worth it?




Find out tomorrow if we keep the wolves at bay or if we find out just how big Grandma's teeth are! Same Civ Time, same Civ Channel!!!


Not much happened this turn - I believe vontaotao founded a city. And CH founded a city. And Yuri. And Tsargon. man, founding a city is the in thing this turn.

I am of two minds about the pausing for people. On the one hand, that's 3 people who didn't take their turn, one of which clearly settled a turn late. On the other hand, they had 24 hours and, unless they had no internet access at all, they had to be able to know they would miss and could have either asked for a lurker or for a short pause.

[AutomatedTeller]

So I was entertaining some idea of a stonehenge run and so I looked at when it fell in PB 18 (since that's the 1st huge game we played), and it fell on turn 35. Which is 6 turns. So I guess no stonehenge for me If I had mysticism now I couldn't get stonehenge in 6 turns

[AutomatedTeller]

Out of curiosity, has Tsargon taken over for Tasunke?

[AutomatedTeller]

Turn 30, In Which AT Has THE MOST MOMENTOUS TURN OF THE GAME

The worker, warrior and settler all survived a turn in the wilderness.

The Ignoble Empire joined the "Having 2 cities club" with Huh? This city is named after one of this year's winners, which was a study that showed that Huh was a word in basically every language, used to ask for clarification. It was either that or Urination Duration, which was a study that showed that mammals all take about the same time to urinate, whether they be a dog or an elephant. I don't know if they studied whales...




The worker has moved to the wheat - it will farm and then road. After that comes the silver and then the pig and roading from the river to the desert hill for city #4.

Huh? will build a warrior until pottery comes in and switch to granary and whip in the granary when it's available. It'll grow on warriors/lib until size 4, where it will make a settler and 2 pop whip that when it's ready, then grow back on a lib and whip in a worker and then finish the lib and build probably another settler or a worker - not sure what.

Huh takes our science from 14->17. Our demos show a lot more GNP than that, of course, since I'm teching pottery with fishing/agri/wheel:




Barteq still hasn't switched espionage to me, which makes me think either he's not paying attention or he is concentrating on someone else. Or both - in PB18 I completely forgot about espionage soon after i put it all on Molach, so there I had city visibility on him without any idea of graphs for anyone else....




My warrior moved to the forest and will move in approximately this way to go meet Molach. Hopefully, he'll think I'm SW of him and a ways away, so I can build my city on the desert hill and catch him by surprise.

Commodore also joined the 2 cities club, while Adrien 1 pop-whipped what I presume to be a settler.

I'm thinking about changing my tech path to pottery->archery->writing->mysticism->masonry->math. Why? Because I think I might need a defensive unit for my settling and archers are cheap. Plus, walls will be nice if molach shows up with a couple of chariots or even axes - walls might be the difference between an archer/warrior combo surviving and not. And I think I can hold off on lots of chops.

[AutomatedTeller]

After running a sim, I think that if I go Pottery->archery->mysticism->masonry->writing->math, I'll do better.

Huh? will go warrior->switch to granary with pottery->whip granary->finish warrior->archer till size 4->switch to settler-> 2 pop whip settler->finish archer and I'll be able to plop an archer into the new city pretty quick. I can put a turn into walls as it grows and whip the granary - that gives a short period of time where I'm vulnerable, so if I wanted, I could whip the walls.

This makes the city pretty safe - CG 1 archer on a hill should be able to handle a random chariot - with walls, I think it can handle 2 axes or 2 or 3 chariots.

And a monument allows for both that city and the horse/copper city to pop borders faster than if they built a rax, which requires 2 population.

[AutomatedTeller]

Turn 31, In Which Literally Nothing Of Interest Happens, So AT Does Not Bother Taking A Pic

Just units moving to tiles we've seen before...


Ok, I lied. I did take a pic of the demos. Happy now?





One thing is vaguely interesting in that. I have 22K soldiers, which is 4 pop (2K), 1 warrior (2K) and Wheel, Hunting, Mining, AH and BW (18K). Someone has 26K (and the top last turn was 24K), which means that someone almost certainly has 3 warriors. Is that significant? Almost certainly not - I doubt very much that there is an actual warrior rush kicking off on turn 31 - my guess is that this person is growing for a whip and built warriors during that time.


Also, three more people founded - Borsche, TheWannabe and REM.