WW #41. New Horizons.

[Gazglum]

Pressure is running high aboard ship. Maybe we should play some soothing orchestral music through the loudspeakers.

I think its time to drop the polygraph stuff and move on for now, but for posterity:

Gazglum, Adrien, Goreripper, Brick, Novice and Lewwyn all volunteered a full statement that they were part of the Human Expansionist League.

Serdoa volunteered that he was town.

Zak said he was town, after being prompted.

I think that Bacchus didn't say anything, and Rowain has claimed 3rd party.

As for Serdoa and Zak, if one of them was scum I would think it more likely to be Zak. I think it a little too flippant to not state his alignment OR place a vote on his first post. Serdoa could be going tunnel-scum, but I don't think there's a lot of evidence for it yet.

NOvice, Lewwyn and Bacchus seem engaged. I also slightly doubt that scum-Bacchus would try to intervene in Serdoa's Zak attacks if he knew Serdoa and Zak were both town. I have town leans on these guys.

Brick and Goreripper have offered almost nothing. I am wariest of them, alongside Zak and Rowain. Rowain said,

And if I count as villager I can as well play like one. That way I have at least the fun of searching for scum

But he hasn't done anything yet except take questions on his role. It is only half way through Day 1, but he feels to me a bit more like someone hiding behind his third-party claim, rather than mrioving on from it to play a village-aligned game.

Also, I am happy to go the claim game if people want, but I doubt there are two of each program. If only because 2 successful use of that 'were any scum involved in this vote' could be used to triangulate and win the game instantly. I am basicalyl certain we don't have two copies of that power.

[Rowain]

Also, I am happy to go the claim game if people want, but I doubt there are two of each program. If only because 2 successful use of that 'were any scum involved in this vote' could be used to triangulate and win the game instantly. I am basicalyl certain we don't have two copies of that power.

Our great GM stated

Each pair of sub-routines was located on individual servers, and any time a crew member used one of them, the other stored in the same system would also be lost.

So I doubt that we can use both copies.

@ Serdoa: I don't have a faction. I have a different number of powers than 4. I can only kill via lynching. That you insists that I have some obscure killingpower makes me lean that zak might have it right with your setting things up.

[Lewwyn]

For the record my hypothesis on 14 pairs of abilities stems from:

Despite having access to a number of programs, each crew member was functionally left with only half the number they had managed to secure. In order to find the traitors on board, the crew would have to work together. The greatest tool they had available was the ability to override the security measures for the various pods each crew member worked out of, once per day, and jettison that pod as the captains had been jettisoned. Once initiated, the pod that received the most commands to be jettisoned would follow the captain into the empty depths of space.

Emphasis mine.
Given 7 townies and 14 abilities. It stands to reason that if each villager has 4 abilities that they share with others, than half of that would be two. Now if two townies use the same ability at night, I'd bet only one of the two actions succeeds. Hence, if the townies work together they can get off a full complement of 7 abilities a night.

Anyway that's my speculation. And like I said, do you want to break the game? I don't blame people if they want to try and not claim. But I do feel its worth the discussion, and I'm not opposed to a full mass claim.


Oh and, Bacchus feels scummy.

[Lewwyn]

Again this:

Our great GM stated

Each pair of sub-routines was located on individual servers, and any time a crew member used one of them, the other stored in the same system would also be lost.

So I doubt that we can use both copies.

Suggests "one" and then "the other" ie: a pair.

[Gazglum]

My reading of the 'pairs' was that each individual has paired abilities, and when we use one of ours, another of ours vanishes. Not that someone else's copy of the same power vanishes. But it's certainly pretty ambiguous.

[Bacchus]

I think that Bacchus didn't say anything, and Rowain has claimed 3rd party.

In any case, let's get all to own up -- I am a Human Expansionist Leaguer.

Otherwise agree with Glum, especially regarding the low likelihood of two uses of the sensor.

On the pairs: my reading was different, Lewwyn, and I confirmed with Jabbz. Each player's power pool is purely his own, when you use one power, you, and only you, will lose access to another power. This the meaning of "functionally left with only half the number".

I've had a look at WW33 and WW26, town Serdoa didn't throw out alignment calls D1, nor demanded others do so, even when he had a strong read, as with Azza in 26.

Anything in particular you want to question about my posts, Lewwyn?

[Bacchus]

Got confused in open tabs, WW28 and WW24 re Serdoa.

[Serdoa]

Also, I am happy to go the claim game if people want, but I doubt there are two of each program. If only because 2 successful use of that 'were any scum involved in this vote' could be used to triangulate and win the game instantly. I am basicalyl certain we don't have two copies of that power.

Our great GM stated

Each pair of sub-routines was located on individual servers, and any time a crew member used one of them, the other stored in the same system would also be lost.

So I doubt that we can use both copies.

I actually asked our GM via PM before the game started as I didn't understand that point when I got the PM. He told me that I have 4 powers and of those two are paired together, if I use one I lose the other. And that I therefore would only get two skills out of the four available. Nothing about this affecting others which was explicitly asked by me. I'm therefore certain that - even though I agree that this quote reads differently - we are not affecting each other in any way with the power usage.

If we have two copies on two individuals we should be able to use both. Of course if we don't talk about it, the ones having the power might use it at the same night. And if we talk about it and have one use it, the other might be killed by the scum. If we don't prevent that with another power.

@ Serdoa: I don't have a faction. I have a different number of powers than 4. I can only kill via lynching. That you insists that I have some obscure killingpower makes me lean that zak might have it right with your setting things up.

In my questions-post I had brought up that some abilities hint at another night-kill besides the standard one, due to their wording. Answering that post you stated:

e) I would not take the wordings in the description of the powers as gospel.

That seemed to me that you agreed with me regarding the powers hinting at a night-kill. Which together with you being a third party did make it seem to me that you are the one possessing that night-kill.

And even if you do not possess it, I'm wondering why you call it "obscure killingpower" as if my assumption of a night-kill besides that of scum is completely out of the blue when before

a) I made a post regarding this assumption that you read and commented and
b) you even seemed to agree with me about it

[Lewwyn]

I think this sticks out to me:

Maybe I'm failing to see something here, but the whole exchange between Serdoa and Zakalwe reads unnatural, if authentically aggressive.

Which felt like placing blame on both parties, followed by your post where you subsequently back off both of them and try to change the topic over to goreripper. Felt like a subtle manipulation. put the pair on the spot then back off and try to change the subject.

Though I do think other posts feel a bit legit. I'm interested to see if other people have a different perspective on it.

[Serdoa]

I've had a look at WW33 and WW26, town Serdoa didn't throw out alignment calls D1, nor demanded others do so, even when he had a strong read, as with Azza in 26.

I don't think looking if I threw out alignment calls in a specific game makes sense. Every vote is an alignment call in the end, stating that you believe someone could be scum. Without proof you always can only believe, not know, so its merely a question of how likely you feel it is. There are certainly games I was very certain, I remember a particular one which got very heated very fast, I think I called out Q, but I can't remember the number. Older one certainly.

In general I want players to be direct. I don't like implicit comments that try to insinuate to something but can always be twisted differently if need be. That's not only me either, I'm pretty sure there are quite a few players that ask for clear statements in order to refer back to them later and make it harder for scum to hide between such comments.

Again, maybe you should focus on the whole picture instead of taking one point (me asking you to call me scum if you believe I am) and hanging yourself on it. I don't mind if you call me scum or not in the literal sense. I mind that you hint that I could be, without stating it clearly so that you can later on always come up with some explanation why this is only wrongly interpreted and you never believed me scum. That might merely be your playstyle, but mine is believing that players that avert clear statements are doing that so they can better hide. And hiding is something that only scum needs to do.