[SPOILER] Krill rambles on

[GermanJoey]

When are you planning to fire a GA?

[Krill]

Earliest I could trigger is in about 12 turns from the 200 point GS, so around T130.

Given I'm making 114 excess food, I appreciate the output from the extra pop.

Whichever way I play it, I can't get Astro much before T140 due to GPP limits. I can get Optics well before then though. bpt is creeping up at an OK rate, but I really need to consider options WRT civics and military. Not sure what I want to do right now. Too much relies on Gav, I don't think he actually bothers to think about any one else but his #1 target which is normally the person he is focussing on fighting. Short of him suiciding his stack I don't quite know what options I'm going to have even 5 turns from now.

[GermanJoey]

What's the first two GS for?

Finally finished watching the stream, btw. Good stuff!

[Krill]

100 point is a GA for bomb due eot T119. 200 point is a GS for golden age, due around T129, or half of an Astro bulb. 300 and 400 point depends too much on growth times and GA to figure out, but they could be double GS for a double Astro bulb around T140, or just the 300 point GS for second half of Astro. Could be double merchants or possible a low odds GE/GA, who the fuck knows right?

[TheWannabe]

GG Krill
Sorry if my noobiness threw off your game. I'm looking forward to reading through your thread and watching the stream when my holidays start next week.

[Mardoc]

Any requests ahead of a T120 update (pic dump, F screens and overpics of homeland to be included), please post them now. Hopefully I'll have time on Wednesday to do it justice.

I always like to see grand strategy thoughts. It looks like your main variable is the question of what Gavagai's going to do? What would your next 20 turns look like with peace? What would you do if he wants war? And what are you planning to do to influence him one way or the other?

[Krill]

Yeah, Gav is pretty much the main variable. I can't react to the other continents actions due to lack of knowledge, and Adrien/HAK are essentially not threats at this point.

If Gav was someone I figured I could set up some sort of reasonable border with...I'd still have difficulty. OK, let's say it were someone believable that just did that to Tsargon, say...SulllaNyles...no, I'd just try to wreck face.

See, that's kind of the issue. It's not just that it's Gav over there, it's that it is someone with the ability threaten me. So any time I am bordered by a threat, I will react in a manner to neutralize that threat. That's why I often play conservatively, but also why pretty much no one borders me in the early game and wins. And if someone were devouring Tsargon but I had faith in my ability to counter and take all the land, why wouldn't I just play it aggressively and blow up in size to 40 cities?

If I were planning on peace, then I'd probably have to use the GA for a golden age to push out a GS and another GA for a future bomb site (although this would again show the 100 point GA to be a misplay due to inefficiencies IMO). But blowing the GA too soon is inefficient in itself.

So I'd probably just play it out similar between the "No one is going to declare on me for 20 turns" and "I'm going to declare on someone in 20 turns", because lets face it. You know I'm aiming to wreck face and take more as much stuff from everyone else as possible.

Anyway, pictures for this turn:




I'm mildly miffed that that I'm only growing 5 pop this turn. Up to 8.3ish% of world pop.

[Krill]

I'm hoping tomorrow I'll be able to put together a written report with no stream. There shouldn't be anything that requires streaming for verification TBH. Just depends on how long I have to stay at work.

[Krill]

GG Krill
Sorry if my noobiness threw off your game. I'm looking forward to reading through your thread and watching the stream when my holidays start next week.

Wanted to rely to this but could never quite come up with a good answer.

We need "newbies" to stop a forum form growing stagnant, under no circumstances has any of your play been an issue. I hope you enjoy playing in PB30, and look forward to seeing you play in other games. I hope this thread isn't too hard on you. Most private threads tend to be a bit closer to the bone than any poster would be in a general conversation.

BTW, medical doctor?

[Mardoc]

You know I'm aiming to wreck face and take more as much stuff from everyone else as possible.

Well, sure. But that still leaves a lot of room to manuever in terms of the questions 'from whom', 'with what army' and so on.

Are you planning to push onward with HA? Swords? Wait until Knights (or cannon or cuirs)? If Gav gives you peace, do you take it and attack someone else, or take it and tech up, or reject it and harass him?

@TheWannabe
Agreed with Krill. These headline games are specifically and deliberately open to everyone. On those rare occasions where a game doesn't want newcomers to join: a) it's pretty obvious in the setup thread...see the ToughVets pitboss recruitment thread, and b) it's pretty hard to actually find enough players to start a game...see the ToughVets pitboss recruitment thread .

You were polite, kept logging in even when Krill was kicking over your sandcastle, reported your game. That means you're a good sport and we're glad to have you. The biggest transition from SP to MP is going from usually winning to usually being one of the 22 losers of a field of 23, and you seem to have managed better than most.

Sure, you might have more fun once you've got experience. But Realms Beyond is the better for your presence either way.