RB Pitboss #1 Spoiler -- Zara of the Holy Roman Empire

[Rowain]

Is there any chance of some screenshots of your now expanded empire?

Additional What are your plans for the next 15-20 turns and what your thoughts about winning the game?

[Broker33]

Is there any chance of some screenshots of your now expanded empire?

Additional What are your plans for the next 15-20 turns and what your thoughts about winning the game?

Right now I have a virus on my main PC and it is kicking nortons ass. I upgraded and got it cleaned enough to play my turn before it locks up but screenshots may be a bit ambitous right now. I will try to though

Currently I am building SoL in a race with Regro. I am figureing he has a trick up his sleve since he is good at C&D and probably knows how long it will take me to get it. I am not good at those calcs so I am flying blind.

My one trick is wooden statue. I have several forest outside the bfc of the capital not being used by other cities. They are being choped. First test one went last turn 24 base hammers and knocked a turn off the statue.

I believe it was turn 211 with 5 turns so it finishes 215 and appears 216. Radio ends in 3 DSP in 4 now I would prefer to build Cristo in capital as it has higest production.

I have 3 more forest finishing chop this turn and two the turn after if they all are 24 hammers that would be 120 base hammers about 2 1/2 turns of production so I should complete in 3 turn (I hope) I dont do all the math. I could but way to much work and wouldnt be fun for me

Plans to win I was thinking about culture but that probably wont work. Could go UN or Space but if I race I think I will lose to dsp or Regro as they are better at MM than I am.

So the overall plan is to war with dsp and shady with munros military pump and possible weaken regro immediatly after.

Next 10=15 turns is build infrastructure for last push of the game.

[Broker33]

Update on the SoL.

3 chops came in 20/24/20 hammers plus my starvation max hammer output I got 393 hammers bringing me to 1215 next turn.

Two chops left and by my calculations I need 88 base hammers next turn to finish it 57 from the city plus the 2 chops. Only one worry one of the forest is an equal distance from another city so I guess it could goto the wrong city which would suck.

But I am hoping Customs superior culture will draw it in.

Radio will also finish at the same time so that works out nice since I can go right to Cristo in the capital with overflow.

I believe it is turn 211 right now finish 212 pops 213

[Broker33]

Correction it is 212 so finish 213 pop 214.

green township has 725 hammers I think (if I did the calc right) I am guessing that is his try at the statue so I am winning the race although he would have passed me if I didnt have that first chop by now

[Broker33]

Thought I would share this with the lurkers.

Was talking to Dreylin about my wooden statue plan.

Told him I didnt think Regro would race unless he thought he could win so I wanted to "chop" a few turns off my production time

[Rowain]

Thanks for your updates and Good Luck by getting rid of the Virus.

Don't forget you also need 1 turn (that is if you have Dyes else 2 turns) to paint the statue to give it a bronze look :neenernee

[Broker33]

Statue completed this turn so It will pop next. Hopefully it isnt a tie.

Started negotiation with Dsp and Shady for possible working relationship.

Trying to get Dsp to walk away from Cristo. Dont know if I can but I still have a 1 turn head start and a couple chops left around capital

[Broker33]

Arrgh a pause at this time. Anyway will share a picture

Capital currently has 52 base hammers with sol 54 if I watermill over the western farm (not the one on the FP) 57 base hammers.

[Krill]

I see 5 ways you can improve your capitals' hammer output. Some of them are mutually exclusive though.

Chop chop

[Broker33]

Had a chat with TT and forwarded it to Dreylin and Munro for discussion. Interesting indeed. I did get Cristo rights for less than I offered Dsp

Below is a chat I had with TT. Seems a nice up front guy and he and shady are interested in working together. I feel we have a decent chance at getting a good arangement from him probably better than we can expect with Regro. Game long NAP is not appealing as we may want the war option later but I didnt get the impression it was a deal breaker. Interesting comments on Elkad also.

Got a side deal for Cristo actually less than I offered Dsp and nothing that wouldnt have been given if we did indeed start working together.

Let me know what you guys think and we should try to get together a plan for an agreement if we are interested

Paul


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From: jbtwinkletoes89@googlemail.com <jbtwinkletoes89@googlemail.com>
Date: Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 7:19 PM
Subject: Chat with jbtwinkletoes89@googlemail.com
To: broker0033@gmail.com



6:35 PM me: welcome to the game
jbtwinkletoes89: thank you
6:36 PM how are you?
me: you got my pm?
good you?
jbtwinkletoes89: I did, and I am fine thanks
eager to make my own mark in htis game
6:37 PM me: Yeah getting a big civ to start with
jbtwinkletoes89: more to get to grips with
may I ask you for your reading of the diplomatic situation as a whole?
6:38 PM me: sure
wasnt being smart just two chats going on
6:39 PM although that is a standard joke with me. just answer the question asked
how much history do you want?
or just current situation
jbtwinkletoes89: current really
history with my civ especially isn't too important to m
*me
6:40 PM me: basically there are 3 main factions after all the jostling and the destruction of the inca who used to be the largest
Regro/Sunrise are tight, regro is heavy on the diplo and always looking for an angle or a switch to his advantage
jbtwinkletoes89: untrustworthy?
me: yes and no
6:41 PM I work with him alot in the game. Good guy but always looking out for himself
if you know what to expect you can plan for it
jbtwinkletoes89: well it seems he's a 'win at any costs' kind of player from what i've been told so far
6:42 PM me: he was instrumental in the first big alliance switch and ruffled alot of feathers mine included.
will drop you like a hot potato if he can get an advantage. Not exactly an all out backstab but close
will follow the "letter" of deals
kind of like the devil if you know what I mean although I am not calling him the devil
jbtwinkletoes89: so I'd better examine all the fine print
6:43 PM me: and understand it will probably benifit him more than you
at least in his eyes
jbtwinkletoes89: ok
so who are the other factions?
6:44 PM me: now obviously you can take what I say with a grain of salt but I am generally up front and actually giving you my impressions is kind of insider info
jbtwinkletoes89: I know and i appreciate it
me: other two factions are yourself and Shady been close most of the game with MH/Kodi who became Dler and I killed
jbtwinkletoes89: I will answer anything you want me to (to an extent of course), but I will match your honesty
6:45 PM me: they were part of the group that regro droped original alliance for
jbtwinkletoes89: and so the other is yourself, lins and elkad?
6:46 PM me: I dont have much inside info on the relationship between shady and dsp other than things seemed close
other group is me lins and munro. Been trying to keep elkad alive since he was in original alliance but have expended as much political capital as I can at this point
he wants to die in a blaze of glory so we are letting him
6:47 PM we were basically the cast off s from regro's big alliance shift
jbtwinkletoes89: well like I said, history matters nothing to me - I am prepared to consider all options as I am not (as yet) tied to anything
me: Regro actually wanted me in but I wouldnt leave lins and elkad out in the cold
6:48 PM Helped Munro get up to speed also at that time and he bacame an ally
jbtwinkletoes89: I shall be upfront with you - I am not a fan of the war I have been landed with, do you think that Elkad is amenable to peace?
6:49 PM me: I think he dosent want to play as a minor 5 city civ so will fight to the death either way
if you bow out shady will have to fight him
or make an offer he cant refuse
6:50 PM jbtwinkletoes89: I was under the impression this war was over trade?
me: well while we were taking out inca we were freely giftig techs
inca fell and on the last round dsp withheld arty from elkad only
which was taken as a prelude to war
everybody thought it was
6:51 PM jbtwinkletoes89: fantastic
me: Elkad instead of sitting back and waiting for arty to slaughter him he did a premptive attack
jbtwinkletoes89: soudns reasonable
so we have a NAP?
6:52 PM me: 10 turn cool off that neither of us have initiated so yeah
jbtwinkletoes89: any end date?
me: 10 turns after one of us say no mas
jbtwinkletoes89: My reading of the game is that culture/time are the only possible victories?
6:53 PM me: I had actually just started approching dsp and shady regarding working together instead of me and regro working together. Got alittle tired of
Regro's opportunism
he was supposed to suport elkad but offered to sit out if shady gives him a nap
6:54 PM which would effectivly secure all his borders for space or culture run
jbtwinkletoes89: exactly
6:55 PM me: Geographly it made sense to work with him but that last move really made me wonder if that was prudent
Now I dont dictate for my allies but they are away I am talking and will bring it back to them if there is a possible deal
6:56 PM jbtwinkletoes89: I am open to a deal
as is shady
me: I think it is time to chop regro down a peg or two then of course we can go after each other later
6:57 PM jbtwinkletoes89: I agree, though I would prefer a peaceful 'competition' for victory
me: always an option
jbtwinkletoes89: no espionage, gamelong nap
6:58 PM friendly competition is better and noone ends up unhappy
or feeling screwed
me: well you can understand as number 3 I may like to keep options open. But I will tell you that any future conflict would not be a surprise backstab
6:59 PM my feeling with Regro is he wants game long naps cause he has a plan. He is very good at C&D and MM I fly more by the seat of my pants and use short term goals
jbtwinkletoes89: Just like me! Its much more fun
and a bit less sad!
7:00 PM me: yeah and I dont lose my wife cause i am crunching numbers
I do that enough at work
jbtwinkletoes89: hahahaha
me: I could do it but it isnt fun to me
jbtwinkletoes89: me neither - I start for a bit then just give up for the vulgarity of it
7:01 PM its just a game after all
me: I may check things here and there but not take shots of graphs figure what tech they just teched figure out what they are builing in each city etc
jbtwinkletoes89: true
7:02 PM I think there could be a collective feeling for targeting regro
me: It may be time
Now of course you would get the advantage of gaining land or shady would
we dont share a border with him
Lins might but thier force would be nothing more than a diversion to open up a main stacks ability to rock and roll
7:03 PM jbtwinkletoes89: I am amenable to terms. I will not try and tie you down to anything now. I appreciate that you have allies and I am happy for you to discuss the merits of my proposals and decide your terms
7:04 PM You will get 50:50 terms with me, I'm sure you can't say that about regro
me: On a side deal there is Cristo
jbtwinkletoes89: indeed
and right now - nothing is off the table
7:05 PM if you and your allies want to name your terms to committing to 'actively hamper' regro - we will negotiate
me: they tie in together?
7:06 PM jbtwinkletoes89: if you like
or we can work something separate
me: actually would like to secure it as a side deal if possible
hate races too stressful
jbtwinkletoes89: indeed
and ruins our current understanding
7:07 PM me: yea although it can always be chalked up as frendly competition
jbtwinkletoes89: true
me: I had offered Dps the rest of flight so he could switch to ind which is what regro is researching and I have a deal for
also to offset some of the duplication of research I would give him fascism also
7:08 PM It has been a wonder he knew I was interested in along time and he tried to sneak radio past me
forgot I could see his research
jbtwinkletoes89: so regro has radio?
7:09 PM me: I do when the turn rolls
jbtwinkletoes89: ah
me: regro is doing ind
that is our trade
I will give you and shady radio and fascism. No good giving you techs if you ally has to self research

jbtwinkletoes89: true
7:10 PM would you be prepared to deny regro radio?
me: would also be able to get you democracy
I have a deal with him on that would hate to start breaking them now
7:11 PM I could no longer tech trade with him after that and my economy is better than his
jbtwinkletoes89: ok - I respect being honourable
7:12 PM me: well since you arent jumping up and down saying yes I take it you would want more?
jbtwinkletoes89: no no - I'm just figuring stuff out in my head
me: lol
jbtwinkletoes89: I don't want to be impulsive
me: ok too used to talking to regro
jbtwinkletoes89: I'm still getting used to it all
7:13 PM me: true
You could always look at it getting something for not risking wasting hammers
jbtwinkletoes89: I understand
7:14 PM I am prepared to surrender Christo to you - could you just write what you are offering in one bit of text just so I don't get misunderstood
7:15 PM me: I am offering to give both you and shady fascism and radio for exclusive rights to cristo and to have lins provide democracy to you.
jbtwinkletoes89: That is acceptable to me
me: ok cool
I hate anarchy
7:16 PM jbtwinkletoes89: Now for the regro proposals...
me: Yes those requrie alot more thought
7:17 PM jbtwinkletoes89: indeed
me: In my group I am full time techer and lins are part time as they finance me but they also get out techs
so we would easilly out pace regro on the tech front
jbtwinkletoes89: indeed
7:18 PM me: as for military action munro and I could provide troops or move them through your territory to the front
obviously gifted troops would need to be returned after action survivors anyway
jbtwinkletoes89: I am hoping to get Elkad to launch a 'death or glory attack at regro too
7:19 PM and of course
me: It is possible maybe if he got a city or two of his back shady could justify that since he gains the most from regros land
jbtwinkletoes89: true true
7:20 PM me: Elkad cant even build national wonders
jbtwinkletoes89: how so?
me: only has 5 cities left
need 7
jbtwinkletoes89: hmmm
7:21 PM I think for now, we have an understanding which is good. I think it is best for you to go to lins and munro and come up with terms you find agreeable. Then we shall negotiate and make it as profitable for everyone as possible
7:22 PM me: ok I shall do that
good talking to you
jbtwinkletoes89: likewise
just shoot me a mail if you ever think of anything
but believe me regro will not give you a better deal
me: I am sure
7:23 PM jbtwinkletoes89: time to update my threads and do my PB3 turn!
talk again soon
me: swiss runs that show
talk at you later

bye