RB PBEM 2 - de Krill of Fronce

[Krill]

Also, I get Ruffs graphs at the end of this turn. I can, if I want, run 100% espionage on him for a turn and see his research...

Decisions decisions. He can't be researching that fast with one 2 cities...

Also, I got a copper gift from Darrell, so now I can finish Collosus in 6 turns in Vp, I don;t think I have enough time to get it in LS if I am going balls out for the GL. Not the biggest deal in the world...

[Krill]

Either Darrell just lied through his teeth, or SL is the one going for the GL. And I have twice the building modifiers he does... this is going to be fun :D

(10:56:37 PM) de krill of Fronce: Darrell, you around?
(10:58:08 PM) Darrell: Yeah
(10:58:18 PM) Darrell: At dinner but have my pbhone
(10:58:31 PM) de krill of Fronce: ok, I'll be quick,
(10:58:35 PM) de krill of Fronce: thank you for the tech gifts
(10:58:40 PM) de krill of Fronce: and copper
(10:58:48 PM) de krill of Fronce: and do you have a deal in place for currency?
(10:58:53 PM) Darrell: Yes
(10:59:03 PM) Darrell: From sl
(10:59:09 PM) de krill of Fronce: if you don;t mind me asking, that is construction, right?
(10:59:14 PM) Darrell: Getting it next turn I think
(10:59:33 PM) de krill of Fronce: cool
(10:59:53 PM) Darrell: No...cur+mon+X for cs
(11:00:16 PM) de krill of Fronce: OK...
(11:01:02 PM) Darrell: Need those to bulb it
(11:01:07 PM) de krill of Fronce: oh, ok
(11:01:26 PM) Darrell: Have you decided next tech yet?
(11:01:36 PM) de krill of Fronce: no
(11:02:03 PM) Darrell: Calendar will probably net you max trfade value
(11:02:04 PM) de krill of Fronce: Didn't realise until this morning currency and aesthetics have been researched.
(11:02:16 PM) Darrell: Yeah
(11:02:29 PM) de krill of Fronce: So just looking at it now.
(11:02:54 PM) de krill of Fronce: TBH
(11:03:04 PM) Darrell: I pretty much know what everyone is doing...
(11:03:06 PM) de krill of Fronce: Wondering who got the lock on the GL.
(11:03:16 PM) de krill of Fronce: I'm thinking that is you or SL.
(11:03:59 PM) Darrell: I have thought abot it
(11:04:11 PM) Darrell: I know I can get lit early
(11:04:22 PM) Darrell: But tbh I probably wont
(11:04:24 PM) de krill of Fronce: Ruff has already said he is researching Lit
(11:04:43 PM) de krill of Fronce: but won't trade it without a no GL build clause
(11:05:06 PM) de krill of Fronce: Can't be yaz, seriously doubt Dreylin, and know it ain't me
(11:05:22 PM) Darrell: He can't build it and he knows it
(11:05:27 PM) de krill of Fronce: Yeah
(11:05:47 PM) Darrell: I haven't pressed him tho
(11:06:01 PM) de krill of Fronce: Well, you know me...
(11:06:14 PM) de krill of Fronce: sent an email in the 60 seconds I had to write one, kinda got to the point asap
(11:06:33 PM) Darrell: Tovruff?
(11:06:37 PM) Darrell: To ruff?
(11:06:43 PM) de krill of Fronce: yeah
(11:07:02 PM) de krill of Fronce: I'm really not sure about SL + GL.
(11:07:05 PM) de krill of Fronce: as he is Phi
(11:07:29 PM) Darrell: He doesn't have marble
(11:07:46 PM) de krill of Fronce: and we are both Ind, and have forges + OR
(11:07:50 PM) de krill of Fronce: yeah
(11:07:55 PM) de krill of Fronce: he needs that headstart
(11:08:29 PM) Darrell: I can chop it out probsbly
(11:08:32 PM) Darrell: Close to it
(11:08:45 PM) Darrell: But still not planning on it
(11:09:13 PM) de krill of Fronce: tbh, if I can get Aesthetics from Ruff, I'm tempted to just run Lit and do the smash and grab
(11:09:30 PM) de krill of Fronce: SL with GL just scares me
(11:09:37 PM) de krill of Fronce: don;t know why
(11:11:17 PM) Darrell: Aq whip with good overflow and 3 chops gets me close
(11:11:17 PM) Darrell: Err...that's hg
(11:11:36 PM) de krill of Fronce: you can have Hg
(11:11:48 PM) Darrell: He's gonna have an academy soon
(11:11:49 PM) de krill of Fronce: if I can have Gl
(11:11:53 PM) de krill of Fronce: oh yah
(11:12:01 PM) de krill of Fronce: without a doubt
(11:12:40 PM) Darrell: He probably has the best tech rate and is phi
(11:12:48 PM) de krill of Fronce: you think?
(11:13:06 PM) Darrell: He got currency fast
(11:13:06 PM) de krill of Fronce: right now I pull in 54 bpt
(11:13:12 PM) Darrell: Nice
(11:13:13 PM) de krill of Fronce: without collosus
(11:13:18 PM) Darrell: At break even?
(11:13:22 PM) de krill of Fronce: -12 gpt
(11:13:28 PM) de krill of Fronce: and no currency
(11:13:33 PM) Darrell: Still very nice
(11:13:40 PM) Darrell: Gems rock
(11:13:44 PM) de krill of Fronce: yeah
(11:14:01 PM) Darrell: I won't chase gl if you don't chase hg
(11:14:05 PM) de krill of Fronce: deal
(11:14:07 PM) de krill of Fronce: ok
(11:14:16 PM) de krill of Fronce: that means it is SL that has the deal with Ruff...
(11:14:35 PM) Darrell: Yeah I think so
(11:14:41 PM) Darrell: Dunno for sure
(11:14:47 PM) de krill of Fronce: I'd bet a fiver it is
(11:14:55 PM) de krill of Fronce: Time to go run up a 1 turn build plan...
(11:15:01 PM) Darrell: Are you still interested in trading for cs?
(11:15:05 PM) de krill of Fronce: yeah
(11:15:11 PM) de krill of Fronce: just figuring out what to tech still
(11:15:15 PM) de krill of Fronce: can get Lit in 4
(11:15:19 PM) de krill of Fronce: if you want that
(11:15:22 PM) Darrell: well lit first
(11:15:26 PM) de krill of Fronce: and might bulb Machinery
(11:15:32 PM) Darrell: Ruff owes it to me
(11:15:44 PM) Darrell: that's a no brainer
(11:15:45 PM) de krill of Fronce: cool, np with that
(11:15:56 PM) de krill of Fronce: Calendar, lemme check
(11:16:04 PM) Darrell: Brb

[Krill]

Don;t think it is Darrel that is going for the GL...he agreed to leave it to me, if I left the HG. So, SL...time to take you to the cleaners...

(11:18:16 PM) Darrell: Back
(11:19:07 PM) Darrell: GM is on t75 if memory serves
(11:19:18 PM) de krill of Fronce: Calendar/Compass and 20 gold for CS? or machinery and 50 gold for CS?
(11:19:52 PM) Darrell: Machinery straight up and a gems for rice trade?
(11:20:25 PM) Darrell: If the bulb fails I am willing to front cs
(11:20:30 PM) de krill of Fronce: sure on the latter
(11:20:38 PM) de krill of Fronce: still, not great odds on that
(11:20:52 PM) Darrell: It failing you mean?
(11:21:31 PM) de krill of Fronce: yeah, probably about a 35/65 chance of GE/GP
(11:22:06 PM) Darrell: Right so would you slow tech machinery then?
(11:22:41 PM) Darrell: also, if you get a gp do you have a plan for it?
(11:23:15 PM) de krill of Fronce: You want it for a shrine?
(11:23:24 PM) de krill of Fronce: I could slow tech machinery in that case
(11:23:28 PM) Darrell: Yeah
(11:23:46 PM) Darrell: Was doing my own the slow way (one priest)
(11:23:57 PM) Darrell: Ok so then we have a deal?
(11:24:25 PM) Darrell: Cs for machinery, I front cs if no ge, rice for gems
(11:24:39 PM) Darrell: I front cs either way really
(11:24:54 PM) Darrell: Since gm probably before you?
(11:25:39 PM) de krill of Fronce: yeah, but only a turn or two
(11:25:52 PM) de krill of Fronce: and tbh, don't think I will auto revolt into bureau
(11:26:01 PM) Darrell: Gpp generating sob
(11:26:08 PM) Darrell: I will I think
(11:27:56 PM) Darrell: And hr
(11:28:34 PM) de krill of Fronce: the double revolt makes sense
(11:28:53 PM) Darrell: Yup
(11:29:15 PM) Darrell: So we're on a roll what do you want if you get a gp?
(11:31:37 PM) de krill of Fronce: can bulb Theo, or settle, or GA, or gift to you for shrine. Or delete if I feel masochistic
(11:31:59 PM) Darrell: Heh heh
(11:33:25 PM) Darrell: I'm in a good mood now, id be willing to split the shrine income
(11:33:58 PM) Darrell: Say 50/50 until I hit 20 golf then 75/25 thereafter
(11:34:08 PM) de krill of Fronce: 20 golf?
(11:34:19 PM) Darrell: Pre or post multipliers, your choice
(11:34:21 PM) Darrell: Gold
(11:35:32 PM) de krill of Fronce: sure, I'm up for that. Considering it is all going to go into tech which we trade to each other, or I give it to you to upgrade troops to go beat people round the head with...
(11:35:46 PM) Darrell:
(11:35:48 PM) Darrell: Yeah
(11:36:25 PM) Darrell: Wow three deals in one phone im
(11:36:25 PM) Darrell: Not bad
(11:36:31 PM) Darrell: Want a summary email?
(11:36:49 PM) de krill of Fronce: that would be useful...
(11:37:02 PM) Darrell: Kind of prefer a gp at this point
(11:37:10 PM) de krill of Fronce: it helps it spread
(11:37:16 PM) de krill of Fronce: so far gotten 2 free spreads.
(11:37:22 PM) Darrell: Ill probably just ship you const for a credit
(11:37:28 PM) de krill of Fronce: getting hte shrine doubles the chance of spreading
(11:37:44 PM) Darrell: since if you tech msach gonna take a while
(11:37:53 PM) Darrell: Yeah that's nice
(11:38:13 PM) Darrell: I had to build one missionasry only so far
(11:38:25 PM) Darrell: We will want to cross polinate
(11:38:36 PM) de krill of Fronce: definitely
(11:38:59 PM) Darrell: Okay got to run I will email you a summary in 30 min
(11:39:15 PM) de krill of Fronce: cool, cya around mate

[Krill]

So, update, ran 100% research on Ruff, and can now see his graphs and his research.

He finishes Lit end of his turn...means he can't gift trade it until next turn, so SL can't start building until t68. If I can trade for Aesthetics this turn, start research next turn, I finish research t69, so SL has a 2 turn lead on me. Not much....

[Krill]

Confirmation of deals with Darrell:

1. I will not chase The Great Library, you will not chase The Hanging Gardens.

2. Machinery for Civil Service (straight up) and Gems for Rice.

3. If you get a GE next, you will bulb Machinery and trade #2 will go through instantly. If you get a GP you will gift it to me for the Temple of Solomon and I will front you Civil Service and Construction while you slow tech Machinery. We will enter into a revenue sharing agreement. The first 20 gold we will split 50/50. Thereafter we will split it 75/25.

Krill, re #2 would you mind sending me your second Gems in advance? Rice will probably be online in 10ish turns. Also, the more I think about it the more I like the idea of the shrine sharing/religion cross pollination. You might want to fire that Engineer?

Thanks,
Darrell

See, do nothing for a week then I post a dozen times on one evening when the shit hits the fan.

[Krill]

Will I get Currency for 37 gold? I'd say know. I expect SL to angle for (400-225)/2=88 gold. I could pay that, but not right now...

Hi mate,

just a quick heads up, I want to call in the beaker debt that you owe me, 225 beakers, on a trade for Currency. Not entire sure how to value Currency though - those 225 beakers are 50% of MC, and I'm not sure how stringent you want to be.

If I were to value them according to the mechanics in game as the beaker costs on the date of trading, the MC would have been worth 281 base, so 140 base beakers due to the 50% beaker cost that we gave it, due to the information exchange.

Currency would be worth 214 base, difference of 74 beakers compared to MC. Normally I value gold as worth 2, 2.5 beakers (because gold is going from one player to another, whereas beakers get duplicated), so I'd value those beakers as worth 37 gold. I'm not sure though, how you would value them, and lets face it, you are the one whose opinion matters as you hold Currency

Krill

[Krill]

Might have caught a break, Ruff says he wants to build the GL.

I suppose that was the plan when he started the research, but...not going to happen when I'm around.

[Krill]

Chat with SL - Got currency for beaker debt and OB. I was trying to think if I ever hammered that deal out with Ruff, and I don't think I did? I'm going over chats now to make sure.

Edit: no agreement with Ruff was reached, as far as I can tell, so I'm OK with this.

Whew, 2 potentially huge disasters averted...

(11:01:32 AM) Squareleg: Hey Krill - day off today?
(11:01:37 AM) de krill of Fronce: yeah
(11:01:40 AM) de krill of Fronce: today and tomorrow
(11:01:54 AM) de krill of Fronce: Take it not yours though
(11:01:59 AM) Squareleg: I'm at work...
(11:02:08 AM) Squareleg: didn't have time to play the save this morning either...
(11:02:27 AM) de krill of Fronce: Could always give me your password and I'll play for you...
(11:02:31 AM) de krill of Fronce:
(11:02:40 AM) Squareleg: let me think....
(11:02:58 AM) Squareleg: Just reading your email actually about Currency
(11:03:09 AM) de krill of Fronce: ok
(11:03:35 AM) Squareleg: Just to clarify - because I can things confused sometimes!
(11:03:53 AM) de krill of Fronce: like that sentence...
(11:04:03 AM) Squareleg: you would like Currency from me and you would give me 37 gold to make up the difference?
(11:04:17 AM) Squareleg: yep!
(11:04:24 AM) de krill of Fronce: that was what the calculation came out as.
(11:04:38 AM) de krill of Fronce: adjusting all of hte techs for base beakers
(11:04:52 AM) de krill of Fronce: and counting 2 beakers as one gold
(11:05:30 AM) Squareleg: ok - I would be willing to make this trade but I think it is only fair that we look at the beaker - gold ratio. Later on in the game I would think this to be totally fair (2-2.5) but perhaps 1.5 would be better for now?
(11:05:51 AM) Squareleg: 1.5 is the best I can get gold to beakers with my academy...
(11:05:51 AM) de krill of Fronce: point with gold, is that I lose the gold that I trade away, nd you gain it
(11:06:09 AM) de krill of Fronce: so it's for ever 1 gold traded, it is a 2 gold swing
(11:06:14 AM) de krill of Fronce: whereas beakers get duplicated
(11:06:32 AM) de krill of Fronce: for free
(11:07:08 AM) Squareleg: ok - I see what you mean.
(11:07:44 AM) Squareleg: Did you propose anything in the game?
(11:07:57 AM) de krill of Fronce: I don;t think so
(11:08:03 AM) de krill of Fronce: but I was playing hte turn prety late at night
(11:08:20 AM) de krill of Fronce: I think I offered you HBR though, as that came in last turn
(11:08:47 AM) Squareleg: cool - thanks.
(11:08:57 AM) Squareleg: I'd like to ask about OB...
(11:09:07 AM) Squareleg: My WB is stuck...
(11:09:54 AM) Squareleg: I am currently getting foreign TR in all my cities so you wouldn't be adding to my economy...
(11:10:21 AM) de krill of Fronce: It's purely for circumnavigation
(11:10:29 AM) Squareleg: yes
(11:10:49 AM) Squareleg: can't lie!
(11:11:15 AM) Squareleg: Are you in the circum nav race?
(11:11:21 AM) de krill of Fronce: I'm not
(11:11:46 AM) de krill of Fronce: Question: where is Ruffs workboat, in your lands?
(11:12:15 AM) Squareleg: hmmm - can't remember exactly but near my cap if I recall correctly.
(11:12:27 AM) Squareleg: 1/2 way thorugh
(11:13:15 AM) Squareleg: I take it you are errring on the side of no to my request for OB?
(11:13:24 AM) de krill of Fronce: no actually
(11:13:41 AM) de krill of Fronce: Ruff is also going for circumnavigation
(11:14:02 AM) de krill of Fronce: how fair aahead he is of you, or behind, I don't know
(11:14:17 AM) Squareleg: How far has he gone in your direction?
(11:14:43 AM) de krill of Fronce: he is probably 3-4 turns ahead of your
(11:14:47 AM) de krill of Fronce: due to hte shape of the land
(11:15:28 AM) Squareleg: ok - I think I can beat him but it depends on the land i guess...
(11:15:43 AM) Squareleg: I have gone beyond Dreylin in the north on the other side
(11:15:48 AM) Squareleg: but met a dead end
(11:16:17 AM) Squareleg: I am hoping the route in the north will be enough to meet up with a route in the south
(11:16:34 AM) Squareleg: I know there is a gap between you and Dreylin
(11:16:48 AM) Squareleg: (impassable by WB or galley
(11:16:51 AM) Squareleg: )
(11:17:10 AM) de krill of Fronce: yeah
(11:17:13 AM) de krill of Fronce: seen that one
(11:17:56 AM) de krill of Fronce: if you don't mind me asking, how far between that area, aand Ruffs' wb
(11:17:57 AM) Squareleg: I would be willing to waive the 37g for some information from you...
(11:19:03 AM) de krill of Fronce: I'm ok with that
(11:19:27 AM) de krill of Fronce: provided it isn't stuff like: I want your world map in word form
(11:19:41 AM) Squareleg: If you were to tell me how many tiles west of my current location I can go. I will then be able to work out if I can make the circum nav.
(11:19:50 AM) Squareleg: just west
(11:20:04 AM) Squareleg: Oh - and grant OB!
(11:20:16 AM) de krill of Fronce: loading the save. Guess is about 10?
(11:20:54 AM) de krill of Fronce: told a lie
(11:20:56 AM) de krill of Fronce: 18
(11:21:07 AM) de krill of Fronce: from where you started
(11:21:16 AM) de krill of Fronce: this turn
(11:21:41 AM) Squareleg: ok - I can't check right now dince i'm at work.... Itching to find out if that is enough!
(11:22:00 AM) Squareleg: consider the 37g waived and I'll offer currency and OB in game when I play

[Krill]

So, I'm bored, and thought I'd write a little on the game. I think I'll start off on the economy.

Now that I've gotten deals in place for Aesthetics and Currency, I should be able to research Lit in 4 turns, perhaps 3 depending on trade routes. I'm thinking that getting the Collosus in LS is the right thing to do now (If I spawn a merchant, I can keep it for Sids, which should give me a minimum 6 food with what I can see already, never mind what else I can grab). This should put me in a strong position for teching, compared to SL and Darrell, not really far ahead, but lets me expand to the islands a little bit sooner and pay the colony costs.

I'm definitely going for the GL and NE in the capital, along with Collosus, engineer and 2 scientists that gives me a solid 19 base gpp, so 38/turn, and a decent 9hpt before modifiers (and can get 12hpt if I juggle tiles with Vp). I'm also wondering about trading for Stone from Yaz (if he has it hooked and it's possible for the wars), s I can have a go at Pyramids in LS as well. Get as many GS as possible, 1 academy and add the remaining GS to the city (might be LS, it is the best protected city I have), each GS is worth 15.75 beakers in Rep, GE is worth 10.5, but the hammers help get more wonders there, so it's circular. Any GP or GM I can save for golden ages, perhaps add the GP to Vp (future WS city), or to LS if I want the hammers, and maybe even shrine another religion if I get that and I have enough hammers to spread it around? Last one isn;t likely, but always pays to consider the options.

The aim here is to use Collosus to pay for expansion, and specialists to tech with (same as SANCTA), but this time mainly off settled specialists instead of using Caste. I'm going to use slavery as much as I can, and I have the high food cities to do that here which weren't available to SANCTA. That and I have other players to trade with here.

Which brings me to expansion. I have now noted a total of 4 island cities, and have have one settler heading to the southern island to get started on building up for Moia, and have another settler finished eot to go to the Dreylin blocking site (as well as an archer and missionary, as I need the extra culture). I need to get out another 2 settlers, either from Vp, or from BBB, to settle the FP/fish site, and the clams site. However, BBB is starting to look like a great hammer city. It grows to size 6 in 2 turns, but it can make 8 base hpt and 6 fpt at size 4, 12/4 base at size 5, and 16/2 base at size 7. I'm thinking I just grow it to size 7 asap, and then hammer out everything I need from there (work boats, missionaries, a galley/trireme pair) and use Vp as the slave city for settlers, and overflow into other stuff. BBB can grow to size 7 in 4 turns iirc, which is faster than the worker can improve the 2 remaining hills, but that's not too big a deal. I can just grow it up on the coast and wait for Collosus, the extra commerce will come in useful.

I've decided that the island to the SW of Vietnam is going to be called Dublin (the north island is called Belfast. Yeah, I'm unoriginal). Dublin will be the Moia city, and I'm dropping off a worker to mine all of the hills one at a time, and a missionary asap to make use of OR. Just need to figure out where to get the missionary from. Most likely Vp from overflow tbh with you, I reckon it is the best way to utilise that overflow if it is not going into buildings.

Still need to get 2 more settlers out for hte mainland, but they can wait a short while, until I get a scout to pop that remaining hut (should be done in a couple of turns...)

[Krill]

Something interesting from Darrell:

(6:56:08 PM) Darrell: got a sec?
(7:02:28 PM) de krill of Fronce: yeah
(7:20:08 PM) Darrell: hey so I am about to settle me westernmost city
(7:20:22 PM) Darrell: Now, I decided when you gave me the copper not to initiate aggression against you this game
(7:20:28 PM) Darrell: But I'm trying not to be an idiot about it
(7:20:41 PM) de krill of Fronce: fair enough
(7:20:44 PM) Darrell: Settling on the hill a) gives me 25% defense, and b) takes away the hill for you to use as a staging ground
(7:21:12 PM) Darrell: I'm okay setting east of the hill, but I would like an agreement that you never place troops on that hill if/when you are at war with me
(7:21:35 PM) de krill of Fronce: sure, can agree to that.
(7:21:40 PM) Darrell: okay cool