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Epic One- Jester's Report

Okay, as some of you may have known from my succession games, my hard drive got nuked after I'd played the whole game. All my saves, notes, and everything was completely destroyed. So, I have nothing to verify my game with except my word; maybe I can cash in my "returning hero" award and get my results accepted anyway?

Victory, Space Race, 1932. Barely pulled it out a couple turns ahead of Washington, but pull it out I did.

In my game, I was a wonder hog. I captured practically every last wonder. I got both pyramids and stonehenge. I can't remember which ones I missed, but it wasn't more than a handful of them.

I also played fast and loose with my military capacity, leading to a few *very* close calls, both at Monty's hands and the Khan's. But I survived every time, although one of my border cities (I think it was Orleans) got burned down not once, but three times. Scary, but I made it through.

However, my game is marred by what is probably dishonourable activity, although I did not think to consider it as such at the time.

Late in the game, I was at war with Monty, and holding my own just fine, waiting for him to tire and sign peace. Suddenly, the Khan dials me up, and despite being vastly behind me in points, threatens me for 350 gold. I tell him to stuff it, expecting at least a few turns to prepare on that front. Instead, he declares immediately.

Now, I have no navy, and an army in the north, and only skeleton garrisons in the south. The Khan hits me there. Plus, he kills all my nets within a few turns. I was also trading health resources with him, which I lost, along with the ones I lost from Monty declaring on me. So, in the late game, with size 15+ cities, I suddenly lose a huge chunk of health. Cities are now losing upwards of eight food each turn.

At this stage, I was still thinking in terms of the Civ 3 rule: no intentional starvation, so I thought I was okay. I certainly didn't *want* my cities to be starving, nor did I choose the circumstances that caused it, except by rejecting an unreasonable tribute demand, or not building a navy.

I certainly lost a few population points in this period. How many, I'm not sure. Not more than half a dozen, but pretty much every city in my empire was starving, and I just stopped looking at the red after awhile.

I probably could have stopped the starvation, though, by plowing over my towns and windmilling my mines. I didn't really think of those as options while I was playing, though. I needed tech to catch Washington, who had the whole tree before I'd even built the Apollo program, and I needed production to stop the Khan from pillaging my cities.

But that's strategy, so I definitely made a strategic choice, not thinking it was in contravention of the rules, to not farm over my tiles to feed the cities. I'll ask for judgment, but I'm pretty sure that's against the variant rules.

So... that's my report, or at least what I remember of the game. Shadow or not, I had fun, and I look forward to the next!

-Jester
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Pity your report got nuked. I didn't think that there were too many of us old Civ 3 Epic 1 vets left so I'm glad to see your psuedo report lol
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Well Jester, if there's one difference between Civ3 and Civ4, it's that you can't get by with a skeleton military anymore: the AI is just too good at calling your bluff! smile

As far as your rules issue, I don't think that you were in violation of the ruleset. If your cities are starving because the enemy has pillaged all your health resources, that's entirely different from deliberate starvation on your part, in my opinion. Sirian will have to make the final ruling, of course, but I personally wouldn't expect you to destroy your towns in that situation.

It sounds like you had an uber-Washington, same as I did. Too bad about losing the notes! cry
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Yay, another Epic 1 vet! toast

Too bad you lost your notes; I liked your reports a lot way back when. But congrats on your victory!

-Kylearan
There are two kinds of fools. One says, "This is old, and therefore good." And one says, "This is new, and therefore better." - John Brunner, The Shockwave Rider
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Congrats on the win Jester! That Temujin is a sneaky, traitorous bastard. It's best to keep a close watch on him.

I agree with Sullla in that I wouldn't expect you to plow over your towns. That would seem to be more dishonorable to me. People live in those towns! But, of course, that will be Sirian's call.

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Hi,

Speaker Wrote:I wouldn't expect you to plow over your towns. That would seem to be more dishonorable to me. People live in those towns!
Have you read my report yet? lol

Honor, bah humbug!

-Kylearan
There are two kinds of fools. One says, "This is old, and therefore good." And one says, "This is new, and therefore better." - John Brunner, The Shockwave Rider
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Heh,

Well, I'm glad to see that I've got some support here. I'd thought that as soon as a) people were starving and b) I didn't take an action that would have remedied that...

Well, I thought I'd be hooped. I might still be. We'll see.

Thanks for the votes of confidence, though!

-Jester
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Jester,

Your game is fine. I've been discussing it with Sirian and we both agree that it should count. You have to do all in your power, within reason to avoid losing population. It would not have been reasonable to ask you to give into all AI demands to avoid losing a resource, or to plow over your lands and sacrifice the production and commerce you needed to be successful in the war. It also wouldn't be reasonable to ask you to rush workers or workboats to a war zone to prevent the starvation, either. After all, workers are people, too, right? smile

So, congrats on the win. I hope your new hard drive gives you many trouble-free years of service.
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Griselda Wrote:Jester,

Your game is fine. I've been discussing it with Sirian and we both agree that it should count. You have to do all in your power, within reason to avoid losing population. It would not have been reasonable to ask you to give into all AI demands to avoid losing a resource, or to plow over your lands and sacrifice the production and commerce you needed to be successful in the war. It also wouldn't be reasonable to ask you to rush workers or workboats to a war zone to prevent the starvation, either. After all, workers are people, too, right? smile

So, congrats on the win. I hope your new hard drive gives you many trouble-free years of service.


Yes, this is why I moved to RAID 0+1. Have to have FOUR identical physical drives to run such a matrix, but you get all kinds of SCSI goodness out of that: speed, data redundancy, and never again the fear of losing data (unless the location burns down.)

As for ALLOWING all your fishing nets to get ripped to shreds... Lesson learned there, eh? lol


- Sirian
Fortune favors the bold.
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Griz and Sirian,

Thank you muchly. I didn't feel like I'd done anything dishonourable (incompetent is another matter) and I'm glad it didn't invalidate my game. I was looking to make up for my *original* epic one, where I quite clearly trod all over the rules, and I was kicking myself for having (possibly) broken one this time.

But we all made mistakes this game, eh, Sirian? lol

Just kidding.

Thanks again,

-Jester
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