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Charriu · October 25th, 2020, 04:28

They are not Protective and sorry I misremembered them being Protective. So moai only makes 2 commerce trade routes

Gaspar · October 25th, 2020, 09:38

(October 25th, 2020, 04:13)novice Wrote: How does Moai work in this mod?
Will the island city provide you with 2 commerce trade routes?

As Charriu so helpfully pointed out, Moai is unchanged and we will indeed get 2c ICTR. There's not much hope for a whole lot of excitement from foreign TR given that half the players in this game are PRO and we're likely to have tense relations with our nearest neighbors, so islands are the way to go. We sort of hope there's several to settle and already tentatively planning on expanding in that direction. The upside - if we build GLH/Colossus, we'll really dig all these water burgs. The downside - really need mainland build queues to raise an army of phracts.

(October 25th, 2020, 04:21)novice Wrote: Maybe Superdeath will settle 2N1W of the dry wheat, and you can have a peaceful border. (Albeit one with no more land for you). The only other option for him seems to be not expanding further east, or settling extremely aggressively right in your face.

You can still settle your planned dry wheat spot, I’m not sure what the border further north looks like then. But I agree that settling choice spots and teching to phracts seems like a good plan.

Are you planning on contesting the jungle/rice area?

Yeah, we've discussed potential SD plants ad nauseum but he's impossible to predict because he just sort of does what feels right in the moment. In his case, that's usually the most aggressive option possible, so... noidea

The current zygote of a plan involves settling a city 1W of the plains ivory which would get the dry wheat and probably conceding that entire larger northern peninsula that Guangzhou is on to Superdeath.

The jungle rice area is a tough call - we'd like to get something down there because Harbour Bridge is awfully exposed and there's some unpleasant forking possibilities if Serdoa settles there and gets some culture in a city. At the same time, we've already antagonized Serdoa quite a bit and given the unpredictability of our other neighbor, it would be ideal to get a city there without further antagonizing him. What that location is, well, great question.

Gaspar · October 25th, 2020, 11:54

Turns are moving quickly, we've played t51 and t52. You're not getting a report but you can have t52s chat log, since I haven't given you one in a while and I know this is what some of you lurk for...

NobleHelium

Played turns 51 and 52. Never tell the lurkers that they are not getting a report. bang

As mentioned in the chat log, Rusten's scout found us.

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Lewwyn is up to an incredible 6 cities, one this turn and one last turn. Hopefully he gets everyone else's attention and nobody looks at us while we start our midgame optimization fervor. Despite our current dumpster tier demos, I am starting to feel cautiously optimistic about this game. There is a lot of room for optimization once you start getting more than a handful of cities, between juggling tiles and figuring out the most optimal builds for each city. In fact I think I am better (relative to other players) at this optimization than the opening, because this part of the game requires constant adjustment and improvisation in the face of new information. Gaspar is also very good at identifying what is really necessary and what isn't as important as it might seem.

There have been some unusual diplomatic happenings on the other side of the world.

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It looks like:
1) SD declared war on Rusten.
2) Rusten declared war on Serdoa at some point.
3) Serdoa also declared war on Rusten at some other point.
4) There may have been some weird "declare war on Rusten" diplomacy between SD and Serdoa, or it's just bugged.

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Serdoa researched Animal Husbandry.

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NobleHelium · October 26th, 2020, 13:32

Fintourist! I see you in the lurker thread! Come hither and comment. wink

NobleHelium · October 27th, 2020, 22:19

Played turns 53-55.

Our rather small empire continues to improve. The treaty with Serdoa expired this turn, actually one turn later than I thought. We signed the treaty during our t45, so I thought it would count ten turns of treaty starting from t45 through t54, and end eot54. But it ended eot55, so I guess the turn that the treaty is agreed upon is not counted as one of the ten turns. Anyway, I have been watching the power graph intensely and Serdoa most likely has only one axe, so we should be perfectly fine on defense with the spear in position and an axe in range to reinforce if necessary.

On t53 SD completed Writing and we promptly asked him for OB. And he graciously accepted, much to our surprise! This is extremely good for us. We are planning to move through his territory to get to the other side and hopefully find Bob and generally increase our knowledge of the world.

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There is an information leak in BUG. We should not know that SD's horse is 1/2 roaded, but that's what it's telling us.

Also note that SD has chopped granaries in both Guangzhou and Nanjing. Nanjing's clam is unimproved and Guangzhou does not have a monument. The granary is equivalent to improving the clam, so whatever. SD is working a grass forest in both cities and also coast (instead of the banana) in Guangzhou, however. He also has a spear and not an axe as we had feared in the city, so we're looking OK here as well.

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Completing Sailing on t54 gives us a trade route to SD, so we can take a look at the resources. I would say we have a favorable distribution.

A couple nights ago I did more simming for the game and had another epiphany. I have come to the conclusion that GRANARIES SUCK.

That's right. GRANARIES. SUCK.

In this game, for us.

Now why is that? Well, we don't have a single 6f tile in reachable distance.

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Not a one. We do have a good amount of fish, but we're not in a position to build any lighthouses yet. The difference between a 4f tile and a 5f tile is not 20% - it's actually 33% because one tile provides a 2f surplus and one tile provides a 3f surplus. (This is an oversimplification because all cities start with a 2f surplus from the city tile, but just bear with me here.) Two 4f tiles is equal to one 6f tile, and actually generally worse because it takes time to get the second citizen and you have to pay maintenance for it! Also your food box is bigger at size 2. Since we don't have discounted granaries and we can't grow all that quickly, we barely want to whip and the granaries are just not that efficient in terms of ROI. So originally I was planning to build a granary in BB after the monument as a matter of standard operating procedure, now I've decided that's just not very good and it will be doing a unit next. As Gaspar says, if you're not constantly scrutinizing everything you're doing, you're probably not optimizing your civ very well. (Well he didn't say it specifically like that, but that's a corollary.)

We did complete a granary in the capital because the city actually has a good food surplus (for now) and we'll be making good use of it. With BB doing a unit next this frees up TS for building other things on the more economic end of the spectrum, which you will hopefully see come to fruition in the coming turns.

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Lewwyn teched Sailing. He might be going for GLH.

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Our CY still sucks. CY is the traditional barometer of how well your civ is doing, but maybe (I am hoping) that doesn't quite apply to us given the land that we have available. Our GNP is going to be crazy high whenever we start burning on Writing. But we don't need to do that just yet.

NobleHelium

Upon further investigation, the treaty ended after Serdoa's turn and before ours. So I was sort of correct, but it meant that Serdoa couldn't attack us this turn when I thought he could.

mackoti · October 28th, 2020, 02:43

Already working 2 golds at this stage of the game is huge thing.
I think in the begging the food is biometter for all traits beside the imperialists which can use hammers better to get out setlers.And even more i see quitte a few of forest and you can get with this tech speed mathemethichs realy fast and you just need some more workers to explode the snowball curve.

Looks like the position of cooper made you to take the right decision for your expansion...

NobleHelium

Played turn 56.

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Got a good look at SD's stuff. He has granaries in all his cities, 12 pop in total. We also have 12 pop, but only one granary. The capital warrior is the one that was scouting our border earlier.

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I have a new hypothesis that SD is planning to settle the stone and then build Stonehenge, hence why he is steadfastly refusing to build a monument in Guangzhou. Surprisingly, Gaspar bought my theory instead of telling me that SD does not make plans. Speaking of monuments, Serdoa completed one three turns ago so he might have culture over that pig (6f tile!) near our gold soonish. We will pop borders ourselves a couple turns earlier though.

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Serdoa and probably Lewwyn are likely teching Writing at the moment.

Gaspar

Played t57.

This wasn't the world's most fascinating turn, but it did have its share of controversy. We opened the turn to see that Superdeath settled his 5th city and this:

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Noble was concerned that this settler might be ticketed for the dry wheat spot on our border, which led to a long, existential debate about what we were willing to allow vs not, etc. Ultimately, we decided to get some eyes on the area so we can react but to not overreact by pulling forces northward because even though we're not expecting a Serdoan attack, Solaris Temple is the reason we can feel good about our place in the game and defending that is more important than anything SD might do. Further scouting revealed his settlement this turn was his first to the west of his capital. Worth noting that SD has decided to start spending all of his EP on us, so... hard to tell what he's up to really.

In domestic news, we finished the horse pasture at Broken Bridge so chariots are a menu option shortly. This also allowed to us to return the deer that we're passing around like a bong at a frat party to Harbour Bridge to speed up the settler which will be going to the fish/cow spot on the peninsula.

Here's the empire as we prepare for a pretty crucial 10t where we step up our expansion efforts...

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And our demos where our GNP looks awfully great, fueled by a double arrow tech with 2 civ KTB:

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