Guild halls

[Drasca]

Should have its own thread, not stuck in the backlogs GvG.

I find the isle of meditation ugly, an inconvenience, and utterly overused. I propose we change it. I've given a celestial sigil to Sir Damadmoo for safekeeping, though can readily buy more.

If you're interested in a different Hall, please put down your top three favorites here:

Guild halls can be previewed from the Canthan ambassadors in the Great Temple of Balthazar, Major Cities (LA, Kama, Kaineng) or online here (with commentary on features):
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Guild_Hall

1. Solitude
2. Frozen
3. Wurm

Let's try to get a consensus by Jan 20th from 10+ players.

[FoxBat]

Wyrm posted about his idea here, which is to try out a bunch of possible halls through the course of weekly gvgs. We started the gvgs up again this week, with the intention to change the hall for that but KoP wasn't around at the time. The night of I gave KoP the insignia for meditation as it was my favorite from Wyrm's list, figuring we would keep that for a week until our next wednesday GvG game, after we had tried it out both for PvP as well as merchanting, socializing etc. Then we'd switch to another on guild hall the list (or perhaps another theoretical list).

I guess it was assumed no-one was opposed since no-one responded to wyrm's post, Drasca isn't too pleased though as you can see. This kindof thing is what happens sometimes when your "guild" doesn't have a heirarchy.

I think any hall that isn't absolutely horrible for noobs should be workable for our GvG purposes. Frozen is perhaps *the* worst due to the ice effect, and the distance of the flag stand from the straight path between bases that greatly encourages splitting. As much as I like the look of wizards, random catapults are probably not the greatest either. Vortigen seems to like Isle of the Dead, but besides the claustrophobic feel , the walls and short ceilings can play havoc with your camera angles, not to mention the one narrow path connecting the whole place. Meditation is just my favorite for aesthetic reasons, but Wurms (yuck), Uncharted, the popular Solitude, or many other choices are "good enough" for us GvGers IMO. I hope ruling out just a few particularly bad-for-pvp halls can be the basis of a reasonable comprimise between aesthetic and functional considerations.

The best way to go about this is to get more input and communication methinks. Let us know whether Wyrm's "try before we buy" is too hairbrained or not, as according to his plan (which I am for) we might not have a permanent hall for another month or so. Also, post some ideas about what halls you would like to try or maybe settle on.

[Drasca]

[quote]get more input and communication methinks[/qupte]

That's what having a topic specific thread made to address an issue that is advertised (see in game guild message actually annoucing news) instead of being lost in the the backlogs of other thread. I do not appreciate guild wide decisions made in back alleys, making no effort to contact other guild members in-game.

There was a COMPLETE communications breakdown, and decisions made without even trying to consult others.

I want to see at least 10 responses, instead of say, two as in the linked thread above--whether directly replied here or in-game and recorded here by proxy.

[Seijin]

I have no idea which ones are good for PvP, but I disliked Frozen for PvP and because NPC's were a bit spread out.

I like the one we're in now, but I'm not opposed to seeing the others or testing them out for PvP.

[Lurker Wyrm]

Should have its own thread, not stuck in the backlogs GvG.

It's been in active discussion in that thread for quite a while now. Of the people who use the forums, you're pretty much the only one who doesn't read that topic.

and utterly overused.

More guilds use Solitude than use Meditation.

Let's try to get a consensus by Jan 20th from 10+ players.

When have we ever had a consensus of that many?

There was a COMPLETE communications breakdown, and decisions made without even trying to consult others.

Like I said before, you were pretty much the only person unaware of what was going on, which was your own fault for not being involved.

see in game guild message actually annoucing news

You never read the welcome message, you've said so. Nobody reads the welcome message. I had "useful" information in it at one point and it didn't change anything, so I didn't bother. You can't have it both ways. You can't say "I don't bother reading the welcome message" and "why wasn't this put in the welcome message?" at the same time. All you're doing is contradicting yourself.

I want to see at least 10 responses

Great. You only have to reply to yourself about 6 more times then.

Honestly, I don't understand why you're being so antagonistic about this whole process. It was time for a change of guild halls, so I figured why don't we have fun and try some of them out for a while to see what battling on them is like for when we do GvG. And you can't say that Fox and I are the only ones interested in that. The majority of the active members of the guild have at least a casual interest in trying GvG every now and then. You and Warblade are the only members of the guild who are dead set against GvG.

I know we're probably going to settle on Solitude in the end. That's the one everybody likes the most. We're trying that one last so we don't have to waste a sigil to switch a second time. What harm is it doing anyone for us to at least have fun and try different halls so we can see what they're like? So you have to look at a hall you think is ugly for a while. Big whoop-dee-do. I don't really like Meditation either, neither the aesthetics nor the way it GvGs. But people in the guild wanted to try it out because it seemed interesting, and that's a good enough reason for me.

[Drasca]

Active discussion? Its been practically dead in the GvG thread, hidden in the back logs.

When have we ever had a consensus of that many

More players now bub, or don't you pay attention below officers?

We have new members, they should be able to have a say in guild wide issues, not have to crawl through every garbeled mess of posts in a longwinded and outdated forum thread for something important.

You never read the welcome message

Why would I when it never changes or brings up anything useful? People read part of message WHEN there was useful messages. I saw responses to TS server when that info was added. There is no contraction when the frame of reference changes.

No changes, no useful information --> Not read
Changed message, Useful info --> Read and paid attention to.

We have the option to change the guild message, but no one's been using it to announce real news.

Welcome to RB, go to the forum. Any reason given? No. Any reason to pay attention? Nope. Same message as you log on every time? Yes. Thus, this option's made pointless.

You need real news and announcements worth reading for anyone to pay attention to them, not a sign that essentially says: "go here" without reason, incentive, or cause.

[Lurker Wyrm]

More players now bub, or don't you pay attention below officers?

Half the people you invite leave. Several haven't signed on in over a week. Most don't bother talking over guild chat. To date, none have posted on the forums.

We have new members, they should be able to have a say in guild wide issues

They have to start participating first. I can just as easily invite 20 random people from RA who also won't participate in any way.

I saw responses to TS server when that info was added.

I didn't. The nudists used it because you put it up right when we were meeting. I had people use it for PvP, etc. when you had it up but still had to urge people onto it.

We have the option to change the guild message, but no one's been using it to announce real news.

Because it doesn't accomplish anything. How many times do I have to repeat that? When we first started to actually GvG I added it. Guess how many people showed up who weren't taking part of forum discussion or that I didn't whisper to asking if they wanted to join in. None. I put info for the variants up. Guess how many people responded to that. None. That's hardly incentive to keep it active. I could have changed it to random sports scores and no one would have noticed.

[theGrimm]

Aren't you guys being a little bit harsh? Especially considering how nice everyone has been to newbie me.

I appreciate new threads for new conversations. I wasn't aware of conversations going on in the new threads, although I admit I could have looked.

Regarding the new guild hall...I'm not likely to be involved in GvG, due to the fact that I'm in South Africa and seem to miss the major times of activity, so I can't comment on a new GH from a tactical or practical perspective.

But a change is as good as a holiday, and I will support whatever the decision the guild makes.

Speaking of support, I was wondering how I might support the guild. My character is still rather new, and thus poor, but if there's anything I can do to help, let me know.

Cheers, guys. Thanks to the friendly guildies.

[KingOfPain]

No need for drama here. This is only a trial period for various halls for reasons stated in the thread. Those who are willing to pay the price can have their choice(s) be the hall of the week (or last a couple of GvG runs if needed be).

Since I prefer Solitude and that seem to be the most popular hall. I have volunteered to pay for the change to Solitude. I am putting Solitude at the end of the list so that it would save us a sigil if we end up with it.

The question is, when should I change the hall, next Thursday? Is that enough time for you guys to look over Meditation?

Which hall is up next?


KoP

[WarBlade]

Aren't you guys being a little bit harsh? Especially considering how nice everyone has been to newbie me.

Nah, these two are being their usual stubborn selves. It happens from time to time when two of the three uncompromising loudmouths in the guild have a difference of opinion and then the resulting forum thread bloats for a page or three.

But a change is as good as a holiday, and I will support whatever the decision the guild makes.

Speaking of support, I was wondering how I might support the guild. My character is still rather new, and thus poor, but if there's anything I can do to help, let me know.

Participate in the in-game chatter, both in the guild channel (green) and then maybe the alliance channel (orange) once you get comfortable with the ZoS alliance. If you need help in an area, broadcast the fact and/or find other ways to party up with guild or alliance members in the game.

The guild doesn't need your character's wealth, if that's what you're referring to, but we can always find a use for your firepower and human brain to support group fun.

There was a COMPLETE communications breakdown, and decisions made without even trying to consult others.

Strange. I knew exactly what was going on. I submit that there was not a complete communications breakdown. There was a bit of fuzzy half-arsed communication on the subject that could have been better presented.

You and Warblade are the only members of the guild who are dead set against GvG.

One thing I really despise reading on forums is when someone decides to make up my mind for me on a subject and broadcast it to the universe as if it was my own opinion.

For the record...

I am not "dead set against GvG."

Please try and understand something: If you organize group events either right smack on my shift change times or on days that I have earmarked for other things I will not be much of a participant in those guild group events. This includes GvG, LoL, nudists and all the other things that I've turned my back on because I knew that if I made it to one I'd probably miss the next four.

As for GvG itself I have little interest in it (That's a far cry from being dead set against it BTW). The reasons range from things I cannot discuss, to the inscription unlock bug which bit my account hard only yesterday, to lacking critical Nightfall skill unlocks, to finding little joy in clashing antlers over super-competitive attitudes and much much more. Frankly I have other interests that I enjoy more than GvG and I'm much happier sticking with those.