Sorry Cy

[Drasca]

I thought you knew! Didn't mean to drag you into something you didn't want to be in. I thought we would have some fun running pug's around (without necessarily succeeding). Sorry for your bad day, can we put this behind us?

[Cyrene]

I thought you knew! Didn't mean to drag you into something you didn't want to be in. I thought we would have some fun running pug's around (without necessarily succeeding). Sorry for your bad day, can we put this behind us?

Realms Beyond History and Philosophy



We're a community, not a clan, that are spreading across the traditional lines of game title and who are like-minded on several key points...
... to seek challenge and fun, not simply 'high score' or 'the most elite stuff!'
... to excel is virtue
... to look to become friends with those you play with
... to treat others with respect, whether you agree with them or not
... to steadfastly avoid cheating

So, charging folks for runs is OK?>>

You DO understand that Miss Thelonious has NEVER used an offensive spell, right?>>

Do you understand the meaning of the word “NEVER”?>>

Do you understand that charging some poor bastard for a goal, and recruiting an RBD member to help with it, WITHOUT FREAKING MENTIONING THAT THERE IS AN AGREEMENT FOR THE POOR BASTARD TO PAY MONEY might be, erm, a TAD offensive? >>

You stupid bastard.>>

I can never wear the same cape. >>

Dick.>>

Head.>>

[FoxBat]

Yeah, I thought you knew as well (we *did* say it out loud basically, might've not been obvious that an "rb'er" would do that though) It wasn't what I had in mind at all to do originaly, but Drasca thought it would be a good way to mess with PuGs as I had been saying all night and I went along with it mostly. I'm sorry I got you dragged into this, hope you don't blame RB for two people's actions, or at least have a chat with KoP...

[Cyrene]

Yeah, I thought you knew as well (we *did* say it out loud basically, might've not been obvious that an "rb'er" would do that though) It wasn't what I had in mind at all to do originaly, but Drasca thought it would be a good way to mess with PuGs as I had been saying all night and I went along with it mostly. I'm sorry I got you dragged into this, hope you don't blame RB for two people's actions, or at least have a chat with KoP...

Mess with PUG's?

Mess with PUG's?

So that is what RBD has sunk to?

No sir.

Not I.


I do NOT "Mess with PUG's".

Elitist bastards.

The ENTIRE purpose of this character was formed when my first character, an El, had a difficult time finding Monks for a few desert missions. So I made a Monk. Her mission, always, has to been help others in any misson possible.

Not for profit.

No, I ran a zillion desert missions just trying to help. Trying to help normal folks. I never took a freaking dime. I helped as many people as I could, one at a time,.

And now I find out that some of the members of RBD think I am a stupid for this. They think I should ream some poor sucker and take his idiotic cash and pretend to do something.

No sir, not I.

Jerks.

I know the difference between right and wrong. And you can take my cape.

Keep it.

I need no cape that stands for idiocy.

Keep it.

Clowns.

[Lurker Wyrm]

I think I'm going to have to start calling Drasca and Fox Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum.

Cy is right though, you shouldn't have run him for money. If you "weren't actually expecting him to pay" (as I recall you saying on guild chat afterwards) you should have just refused payment.

[FoxBat]

Cy is right though, you shouldn't have run him for money. If you "weren't actually expecting him to pay" (as I recall you saying on guild chat afterwards) you should have just refused payment.

Well, Cy might be more right about turning in the cape actually.

RB doesen't do a whole lot of running for tips, but when leader KoP suggests I consider it when I quickly run his char somewhere... there hasn't exactly been much outcry against it.

Fact is the much more generous days of Diablo, when people would argue that the *other* person should take the drop, have vanished. Fair loot assignment means first dibs, then if no use see if a guildy likes, then hawk to the highest bidder/trader/merchant. Sooner merchanting useless chaos axes than giving it away for free for example. That's how many of us get our 15k armor, and why Cy never had any.

Dunno about others but typically I play fairly in a PuG, but not generously. No wonder we're having trouble getting fresh blood... many of us are acting elitist. I'm certainly guilty. And it's not a pretty thing to look at, because it's pretty deeply ingrained, and is about more than just running for cash, and is quite a fall from where we started almost a decade ago.

I feel sick.

[Green_Gloom]

It might also have something to do with how the general public seems to act. I'm fairly sure that we've all had at least one bad PuG experience, we've probably all seen the way chat can go in a well-populated outpost/city or we may have ventured into one of the bigger fansites forum.

Such things can mar expectations of people you don't know and they can make you disinclined to show random acts of kindness. A few bad apples and all that. The inherently competetive nature of Guild Wars may also be a factor.

Which leads to the attempts to tighten the guild. That can also cause elitism and a feeling of superiority by creating a barrier between RB'ers & "Those We Know" and "The Rest/PuGs". Getting to know each other and spending time together isn't bad, we just have to be wary of the negative effects it can have on us.

[Cyrene]

Ok.

Now that I have had time to cool off (taking your kids + 2 of their friends to their elementary school carnival will do that for you), well, I haven’t cooled off.

I DO apologize for the way I said what I said—that particular language was inflammatory and not necessary.

I do not apologize for WHAT I said, and I stand by it.

I know no one wants to hear lectures about the way things were back in 1997—they would bore me almost as much to write as they would for you to read. But there comes a time when a man has to make a stand on what he believes is right and wrong, and last night was my time.

If you ever play L2 (and I wouldn’t wish that on an enemy—the game sucks, but the community is good), you will understand. Full, wide-open PvP is possible at any place or time. You are judged by the clan tag you display. Period. Just having the “wrong” tag can trigger a fight to the death that can cost you weeks worth of gameplay advancement. Something that one of your clannies does while you are offline can result in you being jumped by whoever they offended for the entire life of the game. For YEARS.

You are always conscious of the tag you display, and try to present it in the way you would want everyone to perceive your clan. You trust your mates to do the same.

Trust.

Not disgust.

--Cy

[Drasca]

I've been in open PvP worlds too. This is not one of them.

However, I do not believe my conduct was bad nor earned disrespect of the public. My motivations were challenge based, and any monetary transaction given was voluntary, not required or demanded. I do not believe accepting money after services rendered at the buyer's behest is bad. In the end, I offered a rare service to three individuals, told them to hold off any monetary transaction unless I actually completed the service, was honest to them about potentially not completing, and that it would take some tries, completed it, then accepted voluntary payment from those individuals, and offered their money back if they didn't feel satisfied. If you feel it is wrong to accept money with gratitude, then I disagree. I feel charitable now and then, but realistically money doesn't hurt either. I did not cheat anyone of their money, and everyone involved in the service felt satisfied with what occurred.

Edit: I can't really take your insults seriously with so many pairs of green smileys.

[Drasca]

Mess with PUG's?
I do NOT "Mess with PUG's".

Elitist bastards.

Actually the attitude I get from you is to provide sub-par monking for sub-par pug's whenever being half-asleep is possible. Of course, that's on-par for expectations of a random pug playing experience.

I thought you'd enjoy watching me try to help others, potentially failing, seeing them stay or give up on their own accord and being honest about it the entire way.

In the end, I completed an honest service, they were satisfied and when they offered payment, I accepted. I do not believe honest business is wrong.