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sooooo Wrote:I've been thinking about this. Probably yes is my answer, because I can revolt to pacifism earlier and speed up the next GPs.
I've been considering this strategy:
1. Lightbulb Philosophy with the GS from Sparta in 8 turns. Revolt to pacifism and organised religion, try to get Taoism in Argos.
2. Get a GE from Athens next, use to build Angor Wat in Argos.
3. Get a GS from Thebes, use to build academy in Thebes.
4. Get a great prophet from Argos from Angkor Wat and hiring priest specialists. Make Taoist Shrine in Argos.
I think lightbulbing Philo is a very good plan. It's not like you lose the scientist, you get a good amount of beakers *now* in Philo, plus religion, plus trade value, plus the ability to run pacifism... I don't think the beakers you'd get from the academy can compensate for all this.
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I'm surprise no one has spotted the (non)-deliberate mistake in my plan - it might be tricky to revolt to both pacifism and organised religion  . Just pacifism then.
T-hawk Wrote:I don't think the holy city location really matters here, does it? I don't see any Prophet in your plans, and without a shrine, all the holy city gives is the +5 culture.
It does matter, as I want my holy city to be my gold city. No point in my gold city being the city I've assigned as beakers (Thebes) or military (Corinth). I do plan to get a shrine, either I great-engineer the Angkor Wat, which allows you to hire 3 priests and gets prophet points itself, or I trade for a prophet from Ruff or Dreylin.
I think I'll slave Corinth and Thebes down just before the lightbulb and hope for the holy city to go in Argos or Sparta.
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There's a picture of most of my empire in post 81. My only other city is Corinth in death valley, which has just been boosted to size 3 and is working on a granary.
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If you are aiming to settle all of the GP, then you really should shove every wonder in the same city and get the NE there.
If you aim to keep everything seperate, then you are going to get less GP total due to lack of NE (and you need more missionaries to gain from pacifism) and the settling strategy is hence less powerful.
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It sounds like you are moving away from a "one mega-GPP city" strategy to a more mainstream specialised city strategy which is helped by, but is not totally defined by, great people settled or otherwise.
Bulbing philo to get pacifism earlier, using a prophet for a shrine in an income city and using a scientist for an academy in your science city are all good moves, but they are definitely strategy B and not strategy A. So just be clear with yourself which strategy you are going for and then commit to it, would be my advice.
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Early Pascifism (and National Epic) are not nearly as important with a Philosophical leader. I would not waste a GS on Philosophy for the civic or Taoism, but it might be worthwhile if you want to do a Liberalism run or if you are able to line up N:1 trades like you can do with the AIs.
The best SSE/WE examples I've seen focus on getting Engineers, Prophets and Scientists (one Academy) all settled into one city that builds lots of non-artist world wonders and holds both Oxford and Ironworks. There are several threads in civfanatics that show this strategy works well even at Deity level for someone with sooooo's city management abilities, and even I can get it to work okay on Immortal. I have no clue if it will work as well in MP, though.
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sooooo Wrote:I think I'll slave Corinth and Thebes down just before the lightbulb and hope for the holy city to go in Argos or Sparta.
Hmm...Thebes basically has an un-irrigated grassland Corn and I can't remember what Corinth has in terms of food surplus. It might be a good idea to just run the numbers based on the info in the thread regoarrarr cited to figure out just how big the boost is before you start slaving away on this food poor map (unless of course you plan on slaving anyways, and just control the timing). My recollection is the random factor is pretty large so the impact of heavy slaving might be minimal.
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OK, I think I'll go for specialisation. It might not be technically the correct thing to do but it will be fun.
I don't think I'll settle all the GPs. The third scientist onwards though I'll settle in Thebes.
I'm still not sure whether to use my next GE (due after the GS from Sparta) on Angkor Wat. I guess it depends on (a) if I actually manage to land Taoism, since I'd assume that others have their eyes on it and (b) if I do where the religion is founded. If it goes in Sparta then that's OK since I can farm some more tiles and hire the 3 allowed priests. That plus the wonder itself is 11 GP points per turn with insta-pacifism bonus. I would get a free missionary which I could send to Thebes. Thebes could then build a monastery (needed for a beaker city anyway) and then a missionary for Athens.
I suppose I could trade a GS or GE that I get to Dreylin for a Prophet, since he has oracle and will get one at some point. However, I'll only contact him about it after I know if I've got Taoism or not.
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Lurker's comment: darrelljs Wrote:There are several threads in civfanatics that show this strategy works well even at Deity level for someone with sooooo's city management abilities, and even I can get it to work okay on Immortal. I have no clue if it will work as well in MP, though.
Darrell Yeah, because a darrelljs game is generally void of high-level play :neenernee
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