[NO PLAYERS] Seeding and ranking discussion

[Grimace]

Really in particular would want to make that 3-player continent Gav-OH-2mn for neighborism's sake.

[Commodore]

FOCUSING JUST ON NEIGHBORS, here's how I'd place 'em (islands and/or bulges for extra connections are green lines):
   
Alhazzard is the only one who screams "rougher than warranted" to me, and he does have best access to the Tasty Trio. Give him one of the more militaristic combo sets? Molach also would need some decent fighting leaders/civs, but I was impressed by his land-holding in PB18.

Edit: I could also see shifting Ipecac to his south coast.

[Krill]

Player in middle of 5 player continent should be the best player out of those 5.

[Commodore]

Player in middle of 5 player continent should be the best player out of those 5.

So, REM? Then Ipecac north in his place, Danski south in his? I could see it.

[GermanJoey]

There's something I don't get : Why don't we place the players on the map based on neighbors and available space alone, then tweak the land quality to make it match the player's quality ? Would it take that long to add a few resources to one start and delete some in others ?

IMHO that's the same as making an entirely new map. And yes, it really is a lot of work.

[GermanJoey]

FOCUSING JUST ON NEIGHBORS, here's how I'd place 'em (islands and/or bulges for extra connections are green lines):

Alhazzard is the only one who screams "rougher than warranted" to me, and he does have best access to the Tasty Trio. Give him one of the more militaristic combo sets? Molach also would need some decent fighting leaders/civs, but I was impressed by his land-holding in PB18.

Edit: I could also see shifting Ipecac to his south coast.

This setup could work, but it requires a lot more map editing:

1.) Swap REM into the middle (player 0's slot) and Dantski to the NW (player 3's slot). Dantski can't be in player 5's spot (where you put ipecac) unless that whole southern/central desert chokepoint is entirely reworked.
2.) Buff Dantski's spot
3.) MASSIVELY buff Alhazard's spot
4.) Gav's spot needs to be buffed for real
5.) I think an island to OH's south and 2mn's east would be interesting

It would also be great if TW's whole area could be shifted NE about 5 tiles.

This is on top of the other additions I mentioned earlier. I think your previous suggestion was much better and requires way less editing of the map.

[GermanJoey]

Updated player ratings:




Keep those ratings pouring in! Also, Commodore, I approved your edit-access request.

[Mardoc]

Commodore asked me to post this:

[Commodore]

Commodore asked me to post this:

I know it can be hard to get into the map to offer feedback, so here's the suggestion in image form. And in WB form, here. I also should have ensured all have access to copper, iron, horse and fresh water capitals. Luxes, later strat res, etc not touched.

[Commodore]

Nice to have more data; looks like player rankings are also converging. Spoiled so as not to influence anyone, here's how I'd set combos.

The Wannabe:

Victoria French
Cyrus Indian
Darius I Ottoman

Greywolf:
Catherine Byzantine
Isabella Sumerian
Mansa Musa Babylonian

Dantski
Julius Caesar Viking
Zara Yaqob Spanish
Huayna Capac Russian

Alhazard
Elizabeth Arabian
Roosevelt Roman
Pericles Portuguese

Molach
Louis XIV Dutch
Boudica Zulu
Kublai Khan Greek

Ipecac
Hatshepsut Incan
Justinian I Japanese
Frederick Egyptian

REM
Ramesses II Khmer
Napoleon Native American
Gandhi Korean

2metraninja
Wang Kon German
Shaka Celtic
Qin Shi Huang Mali

Gavagai
Gilgamesh Aztec
Alexander Carthaginian
Stalin Mongolian

Old Harry
Hammurabi Persian
Charlemagne English
Lincoln Ethiopia

One thing I do note, until the very last pair of trios the quality is actually not that bad, and even the lowest two have some useful stuff.