June 10th, 2023, 07:40
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(June 10th, 2023, 07:01)Mjmd Wrote: Scooter I'll note threatened SD into the 1st trade embargo. SD COULDN'T fight back, so Scooter got what he wanted (temporarily). If SD suddenly had knights I imagine that might have gone differently and in fact I'm hoping that memory burns hot in SDs memory.
It's impressive how far the lie that he was coerced into this has come. Yes, the trade embargo started with an idea floated by scooter to SD, back on april 26th, but Superdeath was a very willing participant after that.
scooter: what if we all closed borders with him to tank his economy. we're all subsidizing his expansion - with 17 cities and currency, that's 34 trade routes, most of which are international and worth quite a bit more.
Edit: Sharing screenshots of diplo conversations is also a pretty shitty move from SD.
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(June 9th, 2023, 23:33)Mousey Wrote: Mjmd really digging the hole deeper[...]
And topping it off by comparing himself to a colonized/oppressed indigenous society despite being the clear front-runner? And the clear front-runner organizing a dogpile on top of that. Talk about poor taste... 
Yeah, in a more considered moment MJMD really might want to delete that.
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Just because I enjoy the lawyering...
As a layperson - in German law are least there exists a concept where in simplified terms if you shoot a toy gun at someone, but you actually thought it was a real one, you can be liable for attempted homicide, because the intent is what matters.
Point being, scooter thought he had a credible threat to cause serious damage. Even if it wasn't so, didn't he still try to extort Mjmd, so there was "duress"? (independent of whether that warrants the napstab)
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That's in NZ as well. But I think what matters for contract is the situation of the person receiving the threat - so MJMD's knowledge of the situation is what matters.
Anyway, back to the game. One thing I'd like to add is I think SD isn't covering himself with glory either. If he is willing to stab MJ, then personally I also think that's a clear stab without justification. If he just wants to egg them on against one another until the NAP runs out, that's perfectly legit. Tho I also don't think that will work - i expect MJ gets too far ahead for anything to matter by then.
Btw, everyone in this game has been sharing screenshots of their chat with each other. I don't think that's a problem, personally.
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The concern I have with posting screenshots is that it opens the door to faking screenshots. Relaying secondhand information inaccurately is one thing, and we’ve seen it plenty of times already, but when you post a screenshot you are assumed to be presenting exactly what was actually said, which is more valuable, but opens the door to fakes/edits. It’s just an issue that can be entirely avoided if you only allow direct chat only.
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The problem is Trust. Diplo gets people more involved and trust what is going on more than none diplo games, partly because it shows players values to a greater extentvthan AI diplo games.
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True, but I’d separate how we feel about a player persona in a particular game from how that person is as an individual. If this were Werewolf/Mafia, I don’t think we’d be as bothered, but civ games just end being a lot more personal due to how much more time everyone is putting in. It does create some feel bad moments for sure.
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I was hoping that someone someday would do a recap of those early werewolf games that devolved into flamewars. Having only played werewolf using irc bots a few times the threads can be hard to follow...
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Honestly, Werewolf and Diplomacy are games that assume deception, no need to take a reputational hit in those. I think the big reason for WW drying up is the staggering amount of time and attention those took, and the reason why people got emotional wasn't the deception element but just that people sunk weeks of their lives into those games.
June 12th, 2023, 11:24
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(June 12th, 2023, 11:20)Mjmd Wrote: - I chose the option of many nations in history and many people in other situations and went "you were holding a gun to my head this is bullshit and I'm going to do something about the fact you put a gun to my head". I take very poorly to being threatened.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hull_note
Edit: Wow. Actually reading that Wikipedia article, I'm shocked at the pro-Imperial Japan spin that it takes. Shameful. 
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