WW20: Legend of the Undercity

[Lewwyn]

Yeah, like him having been blocked N1 for example? I mean BRick, honestly, would scum have revealed AND lied for no reason? Anyway, doesn't matter now anymore and discussing it further won't help at all. Either you realized it and just wanted to be part of a lynch or you really didn't realize it. I have a hard time believing the latter but whatever.

Did I vote for Mattimeo? No. Would have anyone listened had I told you not to lynch him? No. So, I did just what you asked.

But hey, of course telling me to shut up is easier...

Wow this is bullshit Serdoa. You are making complete sense here. If you had actually posted this during the lynch I would have definitely changed my vote.

WHY didn't you say anything? Why are you using ideas that could have been used to at least make Day 3 interesting to now attack other people including the now dead proven seer? This is reasoning I would have listened to. But yeah Shutting up is easier when you don't care if villagers go down. I believe you are in fact the SK.

But... Azza is the one who needs to be lynched today. Reasons incoming.


And Ryan you're 100% wrong.

[Lewwyn]

Azza's Day one can be summed up with:

flug_auto

"No lynch"ers are my personal pet peeve in mafia/ww.

He hopped on the flug wagon and never left it. His posts throughout the day were never long. And actually, again I think this is a null tell. That's not what bothers me. It is however the start of a pattern.

Day two he starts with this post:

Ah, it's good to be able to talk again.


I think Gaspar's kill indicates that we have a serial killer, rather than a vigilante. I had a town read on him before he flipped, so I can't see it being a vig kill. Unless there are multiple scum teams, which doesn't really make with uberfish's listing of Gaspar = Scum rather than a team name or anything like that, it has to be serial killer IMO.

My impression from Ichabod's posts is that they're too jokey and carefree to be scummy.

Tasunke's been practically unsighted. Rather unusual, not sure if he's just improving his play or has happened to draw scum this time.

Molach gets my vote for now though. I don't like what he was doing with the flug situation at all.

Now I really thought this was scummy. He makes a big deal out of not being able to talk at night, bringing it up immediately. But its not like he talks about anything he could have mentioned during the night. All of it is based off then night actions. And why would you make sure everyone knew in this way? He's being cute and coy with it. No one noticed he could talk at night anyway, but he is in a hurry to tell people. Why not tell people during the first day? During Day 2 Azza goes onto say goodnight before the end of the day... Why not say something before the end of Day 1? I think he came up with the post restriction during that first night, and I think he's lying.

Also Day 2 he only votes for Molach and Bigger. At the end of the day, he switches to Mattimeo.
Day 3 he's on the Matiimeo train from the start of the day to the end of the day. In fact he only posts FOUR posts during the entire Day 3.

One of those posts was in response to a Brick attack. He says:

Ok, but what have I actually done that's scummy? It's pretty much how I always play, regardless of alignment. Relatively quiet, pick my targets, and more or less stick with them.

Let me answer that. You have disappeared. You have not helped the village. You were a strong supporter of the Mattimeo lynch Day 3 without looking at any other suspects. Your post restriction seems fake.

Azza's last post of Day 3:

Why don't you suspect yourself?
Id also like to hear more from Ryan, he's been rather inactive lately (yeah yeah he's probably asleep - no excuse!)

Highlighting coz I found it amusing.

Worthless. Also where's the "Goodnight" post? I believe that you simply let it slip because the restriction isn't real. You just wanted to not have to post more. The more you post in these game the better chance you get exposed.

AZZA

[Molach]

I think they doubled up tbh.
What do you mean by "now that SK is revealed"?

Well there was a chance of other causes of Gaspar's death. Slight. But now I say no chance. He revealed himself.

[Molach]

AZZA

I see your point. Think it's important that we do our best today, still 2 evils besides Azza.

Anyone think total could be anything other than 4 scum + 1 SK? I tend to presume/assume some things rather quickly, have been known to make mistakes. Surely 5 + 1 is too much?

[Lewwyn]

I don't agree with you bigger. I think he is likely the sk. The n2 no kill + Mattis power was used on him. I might be completely wrong but why do you think he is cleared ?

I don't agree with you bigger. I think he is likely the sk. The n2 no kill + Mattis power was used on him. I might be completely wrong but why do you think he is cleared ?

Ichabod basically proved you didn't lie about n2. The way he handled that before night end feels like a town action. Why would he protect you like that ? Unless you two are scum but if he dies. He will kill you with him. Since Ichabod diverted action ON you it means the role block was technically on you. You teo are town in my book just because of that but here's the thing unless the role blocker if there is one claims. That means the only role denying power in affect was n2. Which also means that matti targeted lew and lews power got delayed one night. N2 no kill happened, n3 a kill happened. I'm either a genius or a fukn idiot.

Ryan - there was no roleblock. Ichabod got my message on night 2 that was intended for Rowain - he diverted my action to himself, rather than Rowain.

hmm, ok, I missed the delayed kill possibility on lewwyn. but that would probably mean 3 kills last ngiht - 1 for wolves, 2 for lewwyn SK. I suppose its possible lewwyn killed brick 2 nights ago, which got delayed, then killed rowain last night, while the wolves killed Brick, not knowing lewwyn would do it for them. But that seems a bit far fetched. I'd rather go with KISS, and lynch either molach or Azza, who there is more dirt on, imo.

Bigger read matti's post. Brick got only 1 result n2. He got nothing n1. Which means a delayed action either completely replaces the new action or delays each action 1 night + .

So to further clarify, it makes perfect sense. Matti used power n2. Sk ordered a kill n2. No kill happened. Sk orders n3 kill. The n2 kill is the one that happens.

That would completely match what happened to brick. N1 no result. N2 only 1 result. Which means n1 result is the one that happened. Which means gentle man chogath should have died last night aka matti saved his life or prolonged it 1 night.

Please listen ....

WTF.

Mattimeo's power is to delay and action. I do not know why the scan of me did not go through N2, but its entirely possible that either Brick or I got blocked N1 and as such that scan was no result no matter Matt's ability.

Then N2 we don't have a second Night kill, you suspect that it was mine and delayed. So who did I try to kill on Night 2 that died N3?

Ichabod's power confirms that if I had tried to kill someone N3 that HE would have died instead. So what your suggesting is that I killed Gaspar, Killed N2 but it was delayed to tonight and then I chose NOT to kill tonight. This is fucking ridiculous. You are not a fucking genius. There are holes throughout your theory and you are simply trying to make the evidence fit with what you think.

[Molach]

I mean even IF you think Azza is evil, still 2 more.

[Lewwyn]

At least fukn read what I write you two sigh.... Whatever il shut up.

Calm the fuck down. No one is responding because they think you're wrong.

[Qgqqqqq]

@Molach: ah ok.
I'm not sure why you're making such a big deal about the PR lewwyn, but agree that azza is probably scum.

[Lewwyn]

@Molach: ah ok.
I'm not sure why you're making such a big deal about the PR lewwyn, but agree that azza is probably scum.

I'm making a big deal because I want Ryan to understand why he's being ignored so that he can actually learn from his mistakes. I don't want him to flame out and commit suicide again, because I do think he's innocent. I just want him to see that he's using confirmation bias. He believes something so he's making everything fit. Also its annoying when he starts whining like a baby because no one is responding to his waterfall of posts. He needs to post less small posts all the time and put all his thoughts coherently into fewer larger posts. I'm making a big deal out of it because I don't think he'll understand otherwise and I want him to stop being annoying.

[Qgqqqqq]

I meant Post Restriction.
I understand the Ryan post.