Gaspar: well
Gaspar: is henge a given?
Gaspar: because i dont think id settle on the stone
Gaspar: otherwise
Gaspar: with what we can see in that SS
NobleHelium: well we definitely want to go for henge
Gaspar: I'd settle N of stone and 3E of that
NobleHelium: 3E seems excessive to me
NobleHelium: most likely we can plant further north
Gaspar: that lets you share both food sources to grow cottages and then pawn them off later
NobleHelium: sure
NobleHelium: but we're not going to keep this shitty cap
Gaspar: where did you start again?
NobleHelium: 1E
Gaspar: thats a better spot
NobleHelium: if we were going to keep the cap we wouldn't have moved
NobleHelium: at least that's what i would have said
Gaspar: how do you decide
Gaspar: to move the cap on t0
NobleHelium: but i don't think either spot is good enough for darius in a 10-player game
Gaspar: thats retarded
NobleHelium: because it's a 10 player game
Gaspar: whats your point
NobleHelium: game will be long
NobleHelium: is my point
Gaspar: you're fucking darius of sumeria
Gaspar: was this random rolls?
NobleHelium: no
NobleHelium: we picked
Gaspar: oh ok
NobleHelium: best pick on the board for sure
Gaspar: thats still insanely good
NobleHelium: india/inca/pacal/willem banned
Gaspar: i dont really get any of your plan truthfully
NobleHelium: well
NobleHelium: it's hard to get serdoa's plans
Gaspar: fuck henge, you're going to want priesthood early
NobleHelium: so?
Gaspar: so just get early religion
NobleHelium: SCREENSHOT
Gaspar: well
NobleHelium: anyway
Gaspar: stone near the cap is great
NobleHelium: henge is still good
NobleHelium: if we can build it with stone
NobleHelium: if we can't we're not building it
Gaspar: i mean
Gaspar: that cap is so fucking terrible
NobleHelium: well yeah
Gaspar: like
Gaspar: this is that overly plotting and scheming stuff
NobleHelium: well
Gaspar: sure 1E sucks too
NobleHelium: you might be right
Gaspar: but its appreciably better
NobleHelium: keep in mind that this is normal speed
NobleHelium: ph hammer accelerates faster
Gaspar: i mean
Gaspar: sure
Gaspar: but you can bang settlers plenty well with wet corn and fish
Gaspar: and plains ivory is a crap tile
NobleHelium: anyway
NobleHelium: i'm kind of agreeing with you
Gaspar: the thing is
NobleHelium: mostly i'm hoping serdoa did enough micro
Gaspar: like you can say you're going to move the cap
Gaspar: but when are slipping in a palace build
NobleHelium: to be sure that the ph acceleration matters enough for a planned tech route that skips fishing for a long time
Gaspar: because if you wait until t150
NobleHelium: t150 is really late
Gaspar: im talking normal speed here
Gaspar: in fairness
NobleHelium: i think t100
Gaspar: my normal speed calculator is off
NobleHelium: is a good estimate
Gaspar: meh
Gaspar: palace is a lot of hammers too
Gaspar: i guess ultimatley
Gaspar: maybe theres something to be learned
Gaspar: since i dont think remotely like serdoa
Gaspar: and hes a better player than me in 99% of situations
NobleHelium: nah not 99%
Gaspar: (i think i read the game better than he does, but otherwise hes better than me)
NobleHelium: on the other hand
Gaspar: anyway
Gaspar: its hard for me to play this start
NobleHelium: i think we've hit or are close to the practical limit for pitboss games hosted by one sunrise machine
Gaspar: because theres literally no situation in which anyone could have convinced me to plant the cap there
NobleHelium: when you have qgqqqqq logging into three pitboss games your chance of failure rises significantly
Gaspar: lol
Gaspar: so wait
Gaspar: your start is on a thin peninsula/island
Gaspar: and you're fin
Gaspar: and you're planning on
Gaspar: "skipping fishing for a long time"
NobleHelium: well long time means after masonry
Gaspar: yeah
Gaspar: thats just getting too cute because you see stone
NobleHelium: of course since we settled off the coast we may not actually need fishing then
Gaspar: ocean fish is still a good tile
NobleHelium: but yeah
NobleHelium: you're right now that i think about it
NobleHelium: fishing is cheap
Gaspar: like am i missing something, is still not 6/0/1 with a lh?
Gaspar: and you're org
Gaspar: i just want to go into the thread and post in all caps
Gaspar: 6f tiles are not to be trifled with
NobleHelium: its ok, im going to post this chat anyways
Gaspar: lol
Gaspar: i mean to me
Gaspar: you have to settle on that GH now
Gaspar: and you have no idea whats down there
NobleHelium: well we're obviously going to settle on the gh at some point
Gaspar: well you werent forced to do that if you planted the cap properly
Gaspar: i dont like to be forced to do anything on t1
Gaspar: when i have no scouting knowledge
Gaspar: wait
Gaspar: wait
Gaspar: i just looked at the competitors list
Gaspar: why are we even discussing this
NobleHelium: ok
Gaspar: sian is like the next best player
NobleHelium: wk is definitely better than sian
NobleHelium: anyways
Gaspar: whos wk?
NobleHelium: obvious cover story
Gaspar: hes not on the list
NobleHelium: DELIBERATE HANDICAP
NobleHelium: warriorknight
NobleHelium: sure he is
Gaspar: im only looking at that screenshot
NobleHelium: ok well merovech logged in for that turn
Gaspar: i mean which other person is logged into wks civ
Gaspar: so basically
Gaspar: its Serdoa >> WK >>> Sian > Dazed >>> lots of terrible players
NobleHelium: cheetah might be ok now
NobleHelium: not sure
NobleHelium: kurumi seems smart but he's green for sure
Gaspar: lol
Gaspar: this is the most NH game ever
NobleHelium: you can see my rankings on the previous page or earlier up in the page
NobleHelium: hey man
NobleHelium: i am not nicolae
NobleHelium: get your story straight
Gaspar: im actually enjoying
Gaspar: deducing things only from one screenshot
NobleHelium: anyway i'm not actually playing because i don't play stupid simultaneous pitboss games
Gaspar: likewise
NobleHelium: but there aren't any other threads worth reading in this game anyways
Gaspar: i like the stuff a big roster brings
Gaspar: but its not worth the bs simul turns brings
Gaspar: anyway, itll be interesting to see how many turns it takes for SH to be worth 6f/t
Gaspar: wheres luddites spreadsheets when you need them
NobleHelium: you mean his thread about payback times?
Gaspar: yeah
Gaspar: not to mention with this roster
NobleHelium: yeah
Gaspar: you're probably going to lose henge
NobleHelium: probably should have gone with a more conservative approach
Gaspar: because someone is going to go henge first
NobleHelium: well i dunno about that
NobleHelium: no archduke on the roster
Gaspar: ala gaspar in 14
Gaspar: interesting question actually
Gaspar: worse first 50t
Gaspar: 14 or 47?
NobleHelium: i forget
NobleHelium: when did you build oracle in 14
Gaspar: like t42
NobleHelium: ok
NobleHelium: well 14 then
Gaspar: obviously 14
Gaspar: more of a joke about how I played my 2nd worst game like 2 years later
Gaspar: well, 26 might have been an even worse start than either
Gaspar: but that was commodores game
Gaspar: the key to a good open
Gaspar: is not to have ornate plans
Gaspar: all of my ornate plan opens have been terrible
Gaspar: the good ones are the ones where i just try to expand well
NobleHelium: what games do you think
NobleHelium: were ornate plans
NobleHelium: i can think of 47
Gaspar: 14
NobleHelium: and that's about it
Gaspar: 47
NobleHelium: 14 was just bad
Gaspar: nah, i had ornate plans
Gaspar: basically
Gaspar: when you do things like before you've seen anything other than a starting ss
Gaspar: and plan on landing 2 early wonders
Gaspar: are always bad ideas
NobleHelium: no you see
NobleHelium: that plan is not ornate
NobleHelium: because it's too vague
NobleHelium: an ornate plan is a novice version of that
NobleHelium: that's what you had in 47
Gaspar: ok fine
Gaspar: early wonders suck, basically
Gaspar: i mean they're really good
Gaspar: but trying to land them sucks
NobleHelium: well i think i prefer your "early wonders suck" position to the old "early religion sucks" position
Gaspar: early religion /usually/ sucks
Gaspar: but it has its place
NobleHelium: anyways
NobleHelium: i feel that the chance of newbies going for early religion are more likely
NobleHelium: than super early henge
Gaspar: i still thing expanding and selling out for currency is usually the best plan
Gaspar: sure
Gaspar: except you know
Gaspar: you're fin sumeria
Gaspar: so if you wanted early religion
Gaspar: you'd have gotten it
Gaspar: maybe not hind/budd
Gaspar: but certainly jud
NobleHelium: its ok
NobleHelium: we will go for judaism right after masonry BEFORE FISHING
Gaspar: lol
Gaspar: except the part where theres no reason whatsoever to go for early religion if you land henge
NobleHelium: yes it's a joke :P
Gaspar: i know
NobleHelium: anyway
Gaspar: i mean really
NobleHelium: i don't really know which is better
Gaspar: the plan here should have been oracle
NobleHelium: i definitely have doubts for sure
NobleHelium: oracle is way too popular
Gaspar: even though you seen stone and no marble
NobleHelium: i would have preferred that to be marble sure
Gaspar: oracle is garbage really
Gaspar: though with sumeria less so
Gaspar: anyway
Gaspar: ill surely forget this game even exists
Gaspar: so keep me posted on how it goes
Gaspar: i spent the last hour bitching about it, so im like 3% invested now
NobleHelium: lol
NobleHelium: anyway i'm posting the chat
Gaspar: edit out anywhere where i insult anyone
Gaspar: i have enough natural heat anyway
NobleHelium: i was going to end it before this part but now i think i have to include it
NobleHelium: i don't see where you insulted anyone anyway
NobleHelium: unless you want me to cut out the entire part where we trash the opponents but i already did that in the thread
Gaspar: nah, i dont care about that
Gaspar: i just meant anyone who is actually in the thread
Gaspar: but i guess i was restrained
Gaspar: its more of a pain in the ass to read back this chat than in gchat so ill take your word for it
NobleHelium: why so?
Gaspar: well mostly because i can just pull up the chat on one page in gchat and if i can do that here i dont know how
NobleHelium: well you scroll up
NobleHelium: just like in gchat
Gaspar: but moreso because im doing it on this piece of shit laptop without a fucking mouse, which obviously has nothing to do with gchat so whatever
Gaspar: in gchat id click the chats tab and just read it on one page w/o scrolling back
NobleHelium: i don't see how you could have read some of our chats without scrolling
Gaspar: well sure
Gaspar: but much less
NobleHelium: maybe you just need to make this window bigger
NobleHelium: you can maximize it you know
Gaspar: LOOK I JUST WANT A FUCKING MOUSE STOP BERATING ME
NobleHelium: yeah i know
NobleHelium: my mouse is actually always double clicking now
Gaspar: its better than this touchpad bullshit
NobleHelium: wait can't you just take your mouse from your desktop
NobleHelium: and plug it in
Gaspar: fuck laptops
Gaspar: its too modern for this piece of shit
NobleHelium: i don't buy that
Gaspar: also the usb port is broken on this laptop
NobleHelium: if you had said "my mouse uses a ps/2 port which this doesn't have" i was going to buy it
Gaspar: and when you plug something into the usb port
NobleHelium: well okay, it only has one usb port?
Gaspar: it reboots
Gaspar: well it has two
Gaspar: i didnt try the other one because it takes forever to reboot and i didnt want to deal with it
NobleHelium: ok
NobleHelium: so i guess one of your usb ports is a reset button
Gaspar: that seems retarded
NobleHelium: it seems hilarious to me lol
NobleHelium: you just said it
NobleHelium: IT REBOOTS
Gaspar: it actually has a ps2 port
Gaspar: but i dont have a ps2 mouse
NobleHelium: ok
NobleHelium: well if i ever ship anything to you i can ship this usb to ps2 converter that came with my mouse
Gaspar: if you ship something to me, SHIP ME AN ACTUAL COMPUTER