WW20: Legend of the Undercity

[Serdoa]

1. Bigger could have been the roleblocked person on night 1.
2. Serdoa or Bigger were jailed on night 1 (very possible that it was Serdoa, I wouldn't expect his pwoer role not to be wasted only because of Zak's death - it seems to be the wrong order).

Would disagree Ichabod. If I was jailed, then uberfish should not have told me "in this case your power is not expended" and that after several hours of D2 were already happened. It seemed like an afterthought to me, something that doesn't mash with me being jailed (because in that case uberfish would know to inform me).

One other possibility is that Bigger is a wolf and simply lies.

What doesn't fit with the theories is this: Why would Rowain protect me as martyr (considering it's a protection role) and not Brick? That'd be a very bad idea...

Like I said, if that was the delayed kill of the SK from N2 it would make sense as it could be that he protected BRick, but because he was the delayed kill, the action on him happened first.

[Serdoa]

I like your SK theory, Serdoa, but take a look at my post above: how do you explain Bigger not being able to pass his message on night 1? I think this fits with a not-blocked Brick and an Immune to scry SK.

Of course, that also could be the case. Tbh, I am set on Lewwyn simply because

- the kill targets make absolute sense for a Lewwyn-SK
- that he was delayed N2 and no kill happened, despite both Jailers / Roleblockers dead makes perfect sense if he is the SK
- his whole acting makes sense as well

If he was either blocked on N1 or is simply unscryable makes imo no difference. Both lead to the point that he is the SK.

[Ryan]

I write that and no one believes me. Serdoa writes that and you all believe him. Sigh , at least I convinced one guy...

[Ryan]

Thanks Serdoa.

[Qgqqqqq]

What the f**k serdoa???
Tell me where I try to piss off Ryan?
I know I didn't have tons of time for his theories but that doesn't mean I was trying to argue with him.
And no, Im not the worlds best player (speak of your own contributions....) and no I don't have time to post walls of text on my targets, but why are you saying ive done nothing for the village this game?? What have you done then, other then acting self righteous when one of your targets isn't lunches?

Anyway this thread seems to have erupted into conspiracy theories since last night.
Personally, I don't think either are right - dont you think rowain would protect the alignment seer other a confirmed villagr?
I believe serdoas claim tbh.

Serdoa please list the posts where I try topiss off Ryan?

[Meiz]

The point about possible SK targets does fit Lewwyn. Especially Gaspar, who we know was killed by the SK.

Serdoa on Q, I think he leans villager because he attacked me after I executed Tasunke, but before the results. I'd think wolves would go "oh crap, confirmed villager" at that poiint (yes, I'm not confirmed, but I'd think wolves thought so). What do you think on that?

What makes you think Pind is a villager (not on your suspects list)? We know Tasunke attacked and voted Gaspar hard. After Gaspar's death, he posted: http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid337638

Some Basic thoughts:

Pindicator ... do you have a post restriction of 9 (or possibly 8?) posts per day?

Is this in the form that once you reach 2, 1, or 0, you either die? or just can't post any more. (perhaps if you go over the limit you die ...)

Either way, if this truly is a post restriction, perhaps you have something to compensate for it. Probably either some survivalist (dbl traitor), or perhaps a powerful village role. Overall I'd give this a slight village lean. (but not beyond suspicion of course)

Lewwyn ... strong village lean. That's the Lewwyn I seem to remember from my first few WW games ^_^

Molach ... indeed suspicious, I suppose I could give him a wolf lean at this moment ... but

Meiz for now. I know ppl are saying his being a packmate with Gaspar is a longshot, but I dunno ... I think its worth persuing. They certainly did seem, at least to me, mutually aligned on D1.

He later voted Molach. His statement on Lewwyn is quite strong. I find it odd how he spent a lot of words on Pind's post restriction. Tasunke was quite awkward (see explanation for thinking Gaspar as scum), and I could see this as his way of distancing from Pind.

[Meiz]

@pindicator

Why do you always get so unfriendly? Is it necessary to tell me I'm nuts just because you disagree?

I think he meant that the village is nuts if they think you're the SK.

[Ryan]

I am really annoyed at this actually. I have been trying to say this a lone and NO ONE was listening to me. Bigger , Lewwyn, and Q making fun of my posts. The moment Serdoa posts it you all defend him ? I am pretty sad at this now even ..

[Qgqqqqq]

I'm not making fun of your posts Ryan.
I just disagree with you.

[Bigger]

I think its perfectly believable (not saying its 100% true) that uber came up with a role to give to Rowain that meant if his target was killed during the night then rowain would die instead and place a vote on the killer (If you want to RP it then Rowains struggles were load and drew attention towards the death where seombody who could have been serdoa was seen leaving)

If rowains only power was, as we are assuming, that he could have himself killed instead of the intended target why would he ever use it? There has to be another upside. Now in a previous game we have had it reveal the killer, but that was deemed as too powerful. What if that has now been degraded to give an extra vote rather than a full reveal, which still gives Rowain a good reason to sacrifice himself while leaving the trail slightly less obvious

If anybody wants to admit to the spare vote then please go ahead and I will re-examine this theory, otherwise i think we have a smoking gun

W T F Jkaen. You invent a fantastic story with pure speculation and absolutely no evidence, and then have the gall to call it a smoking gun?

WATCH OUT, villagers. this is a desperate and quite obvious attempt to pile on and get Serdoa lynched. Truth be told, I am starting to get suspicious of Pindicator (especially his "suspects list - that lists very suspicious people as probably town, and unsuspicious people like Rowain as scummy), and I still think Azza and Molach are both likely scum, but this is too much for me. Jkaen is clearly trying to look productive, while having nothing productive at all - and is really stretching it here to get Serdoa lynched. I don't like the Serdoa votes at all.

To top it off, he's claiming a vanilla role ina role-madness game (seriously???) and didn't even know his alignment on day 2. I think this was a major faux-paus, he never should have revealed this as most of the time he's going to be scum here, I think.

Jkaen is clearly struggling to contribute, I think thats because he knows his argument against Serdoa is BS. Lets just lynch jkaen.