[Spoiler]PB44 Lurker Thread: Nostalgia Edition

[Donovan Zoi]

Hey all.

Sorry for my lousy lack of posting for the duration of the game.

Is this because of my Axe stack descending on the Shrine city in the late game? At the same time, Commodore was sending an even larger stack (with cats -- I haven't landed a tech since Horchers around T75) toward my Regentia holdings. So Commodore seemed as he was unwilling to relent as well, and understandably so. After every ten turns of peace, an increasing larger stack would emerge from his Gems city. Sometimes we would make peace, some times we would not.

That move was meant to secure peace or divert his stack, which worked temporarily. However I did have to get those units back to Cuzco for what was my final stand, while Comm eventually used his stack to take my 2nd to 3rd to last city. I really don't think having the temporary ability to defend oneself is spiteful. I had a chance to show a presence on a second front while Alhazard was concentrating on Tiwaiku, my city north of the capital and was able to get the back to the capital in time to get crushed by Alhazard's C3 Keshiks.

I am sure screenshots and an ongoing report in real time would have been helpful, but this is the best I can do for now. And now, in the wee hours of a Friday morning, it is RB finally sticking it to my day job instead of the other way around (for once!). I'll be paying for this prolific little burst, no doubt!

Didn't quote it, but Krill asked early on "who would pick Mao of Inca?" What do I win?

[Zed-F]

IMO, attacking Commodore for supplying Regentman with copper and because of his low power might have been reasonable, if you had waited to do so until after you'd finished off Regentman and gotten at least temporary peace with Alhazard. As it was, opening up a dogpile on yourself was a suicidal move.

[Krill]

I disagree, I think it was fine. You were surrounded on three sides, pretty much any move is considered suicidal on some level.

[Miguelito]

Could you have kept the shrine city if you had not gone for the capital raze?
Also, very nice to get your reports,at last, thanks for that!

[Bobchillingworth]

I infer from your question that this border gets a lot of attention in sd's thread. He is freaking out way too much about it - got Xbows to counter my praets (which are actually almost worse than HAs for that goal and he already has HAs) and now beelines Guilds like a maniac.

I was thinking about me killing sd while hazard kills Commodore and trying to win from that point but I think I can't beat him in this kind of a fair fight any longer.

Granted SD may be screwed regardless if his economy is the worst of the remaining major powers, but it sounds like his "freaking out" is what has convinced Gav to attempt a naval invasion of Hazard instead of charging across the border. Surely that's the better of various bad options?

[BaII]

Although do Xbows really do worse than HA's?

[Bobchillingworth]

They're probably not hammer-efficient if you've got a lot of catapults, since you should win the majority of battles regardless, and HA are better against anything that isn't a melee unit.

[Mardoc]

I think it depends on the type of battle you're fighting.  Crossbows are absolutely better for fortifying behind walls or on hills to force the use of catapults (which I think Gav is low on at the moment, having used up his supply in the last war). HA are probably better for counterattacking and cleaning up stacks in your land - once you have enough catapults that they're doing the real work for you.  And remember, it's not either/or: given the choice of HA + cat or HA + crossbow + cat, I'd rather have crossbows than not.  The strategy for invading against catapults is to divide your stack of doom into 3-4 unit stacks to make cats inefficient, and crossbows are probably pretty good at handling 3-4 sword stacks.  Also probably better at attacking out of cities for harassment - and generally preventing a wide front quick war.

Crossbows are also better for flashing at your UU sword-having opponent to make the point that you're aware of him as a threat and actively building military.  Even if not perfectly efficient, they reflect recent investment in both tech and hammers. So showing crossbows tells Gav 'you're going to need catapults to conquer anything, and it won't be a quick war' and also 'I'm a moving target'. Those seem like the right messages to send for deterrence.

[AutomatedTeller]

Is it really a toroid when they were thinking cylinder? I mean, that explains the maintenance issues. (See Gavagai's thread)

Interesting - Tilted Axis is a toroid, but it has impassable snow caps E/W.

Can't they see it's a toroid by looking at the settings?

[Cornflakes]

Setting look alright

GS Patch for civ 6 = Nuclear bomb

Setting screenshot from Alhazards thread ... no mention of cylindrical or toroid on settings.