RBP2 Lurker Discussion Thread - No Players!

[m4gill4]

i was trying to be encouraging, but slaze is ****ing toast

[novice]

That's possible. He's going to be attacked by Rome, who have participated in two hot wars and not lost a single unit.

Of course, Rome may still change their plans, they do tend to change quite often.

[antisocialmunky]

I think that people need to be more specific about what an NAP constitutes. I guess another solution is that declaring an MDP can be construed as an aggressive act by a party and cancel the NAP by another party as someone has already suggested.

Really, I've never really liked how RB is all about hard NAPs. I think it is a somewhat cheesy convention due to the fact that it is essentially allows a player to neglect a border more than they would otherwise. Somewhat unrealistic IMO. Agreements should be based on trust and utility instead rather than mostly as a socially enforced matter.

I doubt that Sullla would have been as successful if they didn't have 2 neighbors that were itching to start a fight but had to wait out hte NAP.

[zakalwe]

I doubt that Sullla would have been as successful if they didn't have 2 neighbors that were itching to start a fight but had to wait out hte NAP.

That may certainly be true, but then again, nobody forced them to sign those NAPs.

On another topic, Sullla is right that having forges and organized religion before whipping markets and courthouses will be a great advantage. Whosit is currently planning to whip markets for 4 pop each, and then later also whip courthouses, again without any production modifiers.

[antisocialmunky]

But the social norms forced them to keep them. :-p

[BobRoberts]

Got to love those social conventions!

In a hypothetical world, wonder what the reaction would have been to NaMOC 'clipping' a final few turns off their NAP with India?


pindicator
I don't know about someone who would backstab you as a neighbour in RBCiv... people don't seem terribly forgiving about those sort of things and do seem to carry it from one game to another?

[Shoot the Moon]

Isn't the trust you say they should be based on the real social norm keeping people from breaking them (namely that no one else would trust their team either if they were to break an NAP?). I think the answer is pretty simple, if you can't keep an agreement don't sign it. I think it is a reasonable expectation of a community based on trust (to the extent everyone has completely visible spoiler threads!) to expect people to honor agreements they signed.

[dazedroyalty]

What is slaze thinking with all those libraries in his queues? I mean, in SP that might work, but knowing that Athlete is coming in 25 turns and Whosit might come anytime, I can't believe he's only building one axe. He's running a major gamble on not being attacked that doesn't seem to make any sense to me.

[darrelljs]

It does seem nuts. This from the India thread was kind of funny:

Mostly I'd like to ask for clarity on what he means about Whosit. I mean, three days ago slaze told us that a dogpile on him was imminent, now he doesn't appear to be worried about an attack at all. Something fishy is going on here....

Darrell

[dazedroyalty]

The best plan, I can see, is taht he's planning on whipping the libraries and overflowing into units. The libraries must be to help sustain his research (which has to be struggling from mass expansion) by specialists. That would make sense since he seems to also have a number of new cottages, even in towns that might be more suited to production. He seems to be doing what he can to improve his economy. Unfortunately, a great economy will still fail when swords and horses march in.