WW20: Legend of the Undercity

[Serdoa]

Serdoa-

I think the argument is circumstantial. I mean, if Lewwyn does happen to be scum and we lynch him today then it'll be by luck that we got the right person. True, we don't have any assurances that he comes back as the same alignment, but we don't have any evidence he comes back as a different one.

If we lynch Lewwyn and he is scum it is not by luck. It would be bad luck if we lynched him and he was villager imo. Because the evidence is imo clearly pointing against him, not for him. Your other point I don't understand because it seems you say exactly what I did, that we don't know if he comes back with the same alignment. Even worse, we can't use his whole play up to this point as indication. We pretty much are locked in a lynch on him anyway at this point, everything else would just be too risky - at least I certainly don't want to wait till the 2-1 situation.

I think Azza has a valid point about us having other targets that are better to pursue.

Which are and why? I mean, Azza already didn't really point out much. You point out even less. I know, that was not the point of your post, but please expand on this thought. Who is a better target to pursue? Why especially?

@Molach

Thanks for pointing that difference in what Lewwyn posted out. That makes me feel better about my vote, as it seems he changed his story after I inquired about it and pointed out how unbelievable that is. And that hasn't changed, so for emphasis

Lewwyn

[Ichabod]

What on earth are you talking about?
Yeah it only comes unto effect if his target uses his ability - why does it follow that Lewwyn used an ability?
Lewwyn clearly DIDN'T use a ability, as icha would have felt it - oh wait Matt's power delays actions for the whole game
There is nothing to indicate that ichas target used a ability except that icha should feel the effects - seriously, wait for icha to tell you it (I'm 95% sure I'm right).

Well, I don't think I'll feel the effects of most abilities that I could taunt: like, if someone was going to scry player A and I taunted him, he'd scry me instead, but I don't think Uberfish would tell me that it happened. Bigger's power was different, in a way that, when I used my power, I got his message and he didn't receive the info that Rowain (his intended target) didn't get it.

But I'm guessing that, if Lewwyn tried to kill someone on night 3, I'd be killed instead. Not sure if a delayed night 2 kill would be felt on me, though. My guess is that it wouldn't.

[Serdoa]

The bolded and underlined part: How can you even think Lewwyn doubled up on Novice if you claim to have switched Meiz and Novice on night 2? It seems like you have forgotten your claim, which is a bit hard to take if the claim is true. Wouldn't that mean that Meiz would also be killed or that both SK and scum attacked Meiz? There's no way you can think Lewwyn attacked Novice on night 2...

I don't know, Serdoa. This misstep gives me the nagging feeling that you may be playing a very good scum game... How could you forget your claim?

What do the others think about this? Please, answer me, I think this is very important.

Ichabod, please read what Lewwyn wrote and to what I answered. The truth? I simply copied what he wrote and that was

"What if SK and Scum simply doubled up on novice N2?"

And as I did that at work, I didn't think to change that to "Meiz" or "the nightkill target". Point in case Ichabod, I didn't even realize that till you pointed it out now. I have juggled so much with who did what at which night to whom today that I simply didn't realize that what Lewwyn wrote made no sense with the actions that happened. It is not that I forgot what I did, but that I wrote this posts in a rush and just answered to his point without thinking further about it. For me that was simply answering. Liked when someone asks you "how did you like your cola" and you are so in your own thoughts that you answer "Fine, its great" and only realize later that actually you are drinking wine. I don't know if I explain that well enough, but I'd expect that this happened to you sometimes in the past as well and you understand what I mean?

[Bigger]

Bigger, where you at?

I'm at work damnt. lunchbreak atm, don't have long. LISTEN!!!!!!!!!

azza is preferred target. I will try and get back on before deadline to vote jkaen or molach to save lewwyn.
Unfortunately have had to skim the last 6-7 pages :/

I HATE the lewwyn movement today. There is absolutely no evidence, just circumstancial and terrible theories on what "could have happenned." As Lewwyn pointed out, I could prevent a "well this could have happenned" argument for everyone left alive in the game. With all the interference roles, I really don't find the "no result" read from Brick that suspicious at all.

OTOH, there is very real evidence against jkaen, azza, and molach, so why the f are we screwing with Lewwyn? Especially since we've wasted so many villager deaths already and have very little breathing room. And especially since he has said he can prove his innocence tomorrow -- at the very least we can examine with more evidence tomorrow.

Azza, jkaen, molach is probably my preference, in that order. I'll eat my wings if 2 of them, at least, aren't scum.

[Bigger]

To top it off, Lewwyn has done more research and active scum hunting than anyone this game (myself included). If he's dead, the village will flop around for the rest of game and have a very small chance of winning. serdoa et all, please give him another day at least, so scum can't hop on him at the last minute and seal our fate.

[Qgqqqqq]

Bigger, where you at?

I'm at work damnt. lunchbreak atm, don't have long. LISTEN!!!!!!!!!

azza is preferred target. I will try and get back on before deadline to vote jkaen or molach to save lewwyn.
Unfortunately have had to skim the last 6-7 pages :/

I HATE the lewwyn movement today. There is absolutely no evidence, just circumstancial and terrible theories on what "could have happenned." As Lewwyn pointed out, I could prevent a "well this could have happenned" argument for everyone left alive in the game. With all the interference roles, I really don't find the "no result" read from Brick that suspicious at all.

OTOH, there is very real evidence against jkaen, azza, and molach, so why the f are we screwing with Lewwyn? Especially since we've wasted so many villager deaths already and have very little breathing room. And especially since he has said he can prove his innocence tomorrow -- at the very least we can examine with more evidence tomorrow.

Azza, jkaen, molach is probably my preference, in that order. I'll eat my wings if 2 of them, at least, aren't scum.

This x1000 (except the wing eating bit ).
Seriously this Lewwyn case his really distracted the discussion away from those who are actually suspicious.
This is just playing eight into their hands atm - if you still believe Lewwyn to be scam, at least give him a chance to prove his claim.

[Ryan]

@Bigger

You have played longer then me in WW and you cant tell when Lewwyn is scum hunting? He barley did anything. That line you said is so full of wrong

"" To top it off, Lewwyn has done more research and active scum hunting than anyone this game (myself included). If he's dead, the village will flop around for the rest of game and have a very small chance of winning. serdoa et all, please give him another day at least, so scum can't hop on him at the last minute and seal our fate.""
What the hell... Lewwyn did the most scum hunting this game. that is epic.

[Ryan]

@Ichabod if it delays the entire action. It should be affected by a protection by lets Rowain.

[Bigger]

@Bigger

You have played longer then me in WW and you cant tell when Lewwyn is scum hunting? He barley did anything. That line you said is so full of wrong

"" To top it off, Lewwyn has done more research and active scum hunting than anyone this game (myself included). If he's dead, the village will flop around for the rest of game and have a very small chance of winning. serdoa et all, please give him another day at least, so scum can't hop on him at the last minute and seal our fate.""
What the hell... Lewwyn did the most scum hunting this game. that is epic.

I CAN tell, which is the problem - you are struggling reading him because you don't have much experience with him. He isn't super-villager, he makes plenty of mistakes, but the effort scum hunting he is putting into this game is undeniable. And generally when he puts this much effort into it he does better than the average bear. His reads have (mostly) been spot-on, imo, and I trust where he is going with the game.

OTOH, I don't trust where your reads have been going at all. Its been really hard to follow your logic and a lot of your arguments just don't make any sense to me.

Lynch Azza pls!

[Qgqqqqq]

Oh and azza.
Can we get a tally?