WW20: Legend of the Undercity

[Ichabod]

Ichabod, i tend to agree. But I am having a hard time being confident in the Lewwyn is SK theory.
If Matt hit Lewwyn N2 then he couldn't have killed N2 which means wolves hit novice and was swapped to Meiz (assuming Lewwyn is SK). This whole "wolves hit SK night 2" theory doesn't account for novice being killed.
What do you propose?
I cannot see a case on Azza, only cases that he is town. Can someone sum up?
Azza seems like a classic mislynch right now. Someone ppl are scared of for his general play. That's my biggest concern about Lewwyn- he isn't making a case on Azza. I haven't liked his hunting this game but i don't have scum tells. TBH i'd rather lynch jkaen and give lewwyn a chance to prove himself

Likewise Serdoa as scum is master worthy performance. But he does need to explain that line you bolded.

Meiz... where is your input?

I hate whete the deadline falls. In the middle of the eork day

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You are right about the bolded and underlined part. Pindicator's logical computer abilities owned me.

"Likewise Serdoa as scum is master worthy performance. But he does need to explain that line you bolded." - What do you think about his explanation? Do you see a reason for Serdoa to make that switching claim if it isn't to confirm Meiz as a villager (i.e. if Serdoa is a wolf, Meiz is a wolf too - otherwise, there wouldn't be a reason to claim it, I guess)? Maybe Serdoa's ability redirects powers but not night-kills and he chose Meiz's name as random, or due to him being his biggest suspect, and Serdoa just wanted to make Novice a possible kill for the wolves...

Why would he want to hit Zakalwe with a Post Restriction, as he claims to have done N1, in the first place?

Why didn't he use the redirect power on Novice and myself, did he really suspect meiz more than me?

Maybe Serdoa is really a baddie!

[Ichabod]

Very well. If Lewwyn survives this night and he turns out to be the sk. Il never let you live this down.

What does that mean?

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I also wanted to vote for Meiz, but I guess he just lost interest in the game due to what's happening. Can't really fit that with wolf... I don't know...

[Ryan]

That If I was right and you were wrong. I will remind you of that for the rest of your WW career.

[Ichabod]

I really do like Molach right now.

Molach-
I thought you said I was town earlier. Now you're saying I'm the SK. Did that change after I voted you?

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You mean like because of sensible posts, I trust? Not as a target?

As I think I said earlier that 'town' earlier means really not scum. I think SK is doing his best to appear town. And that would mean playing his standard villager game, trying to hunt wolves by day however said player usually does that. Perhaps try to keep from being too obvious town to avoid Nightkill, but I'm not sure to how great degree one can control these things. Don't fret about the 'can be SK', for me I think that is anyone, except Bigger, Meiz and (gasp) Lewwyn. Like 95-99% sure on those 3.

I still will hunt scum. Got an interesting conspiracy theory for why I think this is smart; I think wolves hit the SK on night 2. They certainly did not hit novice, or Meiz would have died. And I think hitting Meiz makes sense for SK, confirmed non-scum and with some thought non-SK too. Daykill & nightkill in same role? So I suggest scum hit the SK, Sk hit Meiz. SK did not die due to immunity. So perhaps scum knows who it is, kept him alive for a few extra nightkills and can kill him at will now. (Auric Ulwyn had 1-shot nightkill immunity last game, was hit by wolves night one but we (wolves) did not realize why our target didn't die).

Don't have much time, after kids are put to...sleep in 2 hours I'll be here.

Lewwyn, you say in your claim that you 'have to' make a new account, then 'may'. You were pondering to reveal for a while, then make an error in claiming? If you are town that is extremely unfortunate to bungle claim like that.

And Ryan, I don't think we neighbours could be confirmed town due to being neighbour. But if any of us got confirmed or 'confirmed' through other means then the neighbour thread would have been valuable

The fact that we thought of the same thing makes me think Molach is neither wolf, nor SK.

[Ichabod]

Who do you suspect besides Lewwyn, Serdoa? Would you be willing to vote Meiz? Would you be willing to vote Pindicator?

[Serdoa]

It just occured to me that maybe the wolves hit the SK on night 2, but the SK was nightkill immune. So they could be pushing like mad to get him lynched. If Lewwyn is indeed the SK, I'd lynch Ryan and Serdoa.

That said, I can't see a reson not to let Lewwyn use his power and confirm himself (his alignment would be presented with his death, according to Lewwyn).

Ichabod, you also (as some players before you) don't even mention the fact that we don't know if the alignment shown is the same that his new character has. We do not know that, hence what do we gain by letting him proof... what exactly? A one shot night-kill immunity? Also, I strongly disagree that I only want to lynch him for meta-reasons. I also want to lynch him because I agree with Ryan that he wasn't scum hunting. He barely posted D1, he tried to lynch novice half of D2 before disappearing, that was the only bigger case he did. On D3 he said he pushed for pindicator, but reread his posts and you will see that he voted Mattimeo, switched to Bigger and revoted Mattimeo. Without cases that are noteworthy. Then he told us about Chinese New Year and that some singer learned some words in Chinese. D4 he made a case on Azza - which I have read and would not agree with. The points he mentions are

- he thinks the post restriction is fake because Azza only told on D2 and that he thinks Azza came up with it only then, his evidence is that he thinks Azza was "cute and coy" with it. (Thats just interpreting behaviour in his way, without any evidence)
- he states further that Azza disappeared and was a strong supporter of the Mattimeo-lynch (thats the same for him and several other players, the whole game was nearly on hold on D3)
- he states lastly that he misses the "Goodnight" post on D3... (thats so unimportant that I'm not going to comment on it)

So really, that was not a case, that was just searching for something to hit someone village is prone to lynch for his play anyhow. Scumhunting looks different. And after that post on Azza, all that followed was stating that Jkaen is lieing and that could be because he is scum or village (something we all agree on anyway) and his "defense" against Ryan and me.

Please, someone can show me the scumhunting now? Because I sure can't see it.

[Serdoa]

Now, as for me being scum:

1. I told you Meiz is not wolf because of my switch between novice and him. But more importantly, not matter if I was SK or wolf, why would I tell you anyway? Why put myself in the spotlight? Especially with being responsible that novice got killed after he got confirmed villager?

2. I am scumhunting since Day 1. Ichabod can attest to that. Now we all know that both every scum want to appear villager. But by hitting that hard on Ichabod, even after he got confirmed by BRick? Again, why put myself in the spotlight like that?

I know, I said myself that the sentence "wolves wouldn't do that" should not be always used as an explanation for someones innocence alone. But what I also said: Think about risk and reward. Even if you believe I am a risk-taker, there has to be some reward to it to do something. What I done this game is highly risky as scum with no reward attached.

Also, why would I push that hard on Lewwyn? If I am a wolf as Ichabod shortly thought why would I go for that target? I could go for Jkaen or Azza much easier. And nightkill him. If he is the SK, even if I was wolf and already tried to kill him and failed I would just go for him again. Because I am sure that no SK would have complete NK-immunity. One time, yes maybe. But every night? No way.

Who do you suspect besides Lewwyn, Serdoa? Would you be willing to vote Meiz? Would you be willing to vote Pindicator?

As I told Lewwyn before, I would need to reread and as can be gathered I used the time I had on Lewwyn. But for those you brought up:

1. Meiz: I am certain that he is no wolf. Does SK fit? Kinda, though Gaspar as first target does not (thats btw another point for Lewwyn being SK). Also his play doesn't. I think he is too vocal in his pushes. For him that seems - rather unusual. Anyway, I am very certain on Lewwyn being SK, what means Meiz can't be it. And therefore no, I would not vote for him before the Lewwyn-story is not clarified.

2. Pindicator: I don't know, many have stated he played a good game and put so much thoughts in his 10 posts and he certainly made long posts. If they were good is hard to say for me right now, but I definitely like him more than some others. He did attack me several times in a rather harsh way, but the reason why he attacked me seemed ultimately village. He never tried to use it to get me lynched, just to tell me how he feels despite me probably being village. Thats a positive in my book, because I sure opened myself up for a mislynch with my night-action N2, my push for innocent Ichabod, my rambling on Seer-BRick etc. So again, no I would right now not be willing to vote him.

[Bigger]

Ichabod - don't forget that jkaen brought forth the "lewwyn is scum argument," even calling it a "smoking gun." so its not just ryan and Serdoa.

maybe jkaen would be a better lynch, for that reason. I could go w/ azza or jkaen tbh.

[Qgqqqqq]

Im really flip flopping atm, but think jkaen might be best.
Will you switch bigger?

[Serdoa]

Jkaen said "Serdoa is the SK" and followed that with "That is a smoking gun on him". Serdoa, not Lewwyn.