(December 14th, 2012, 00:33)NobleHelium Wrote: Let's move the axeman on the hill SE-SE-NE so we can finish defogging for Seven Tribes please...we need to do it starting this turn or there won't be enough time.
Mnnn... disagree that it's necessary. I would rather that axe kept traveling West in order to defog more and possibly meet another civ. What will defogging those two tiles now do for us? We're going to have the defogged as soon as we settle and given the peaks its not like that spot will change at all based on what is in the fog.
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I am also sceptical. The southern desert spot loses overlapping floodplains and one river side grass tile.
From the tile bleeding one can see that the two unfogged tiles for the southern BFC are forested. So you we would gain additional chopping potential. But what resources can be on a forest that would have us reconsider placing the city on the southern desert?
mh
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(December 14th, 2012, 02:36)mostly_harmless Wrote: I am also sceptical. The southern desert spot loses overlapping floodplains and one river side grass tile.
From the tile bleeding one can see that the two unfogged tiles for the southern BFC are forested. So you we would gain additional chopping potential. But what resources can be on a forest that would have us reconsider placing the city on the southern desert?
Yes, and I guess Deer and maybe spices(?).
But given our very prominent overlap strategy, those can probably be grabbed by an adjacent city down there.
mh
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(December 14th, 2012, 02:58)mostly_harmless Wrote: Yes, and I guess Deer and maybe spices(?).
mh
Deer, fur, spices, and silk occur naturally under forests, and it seems so far that plako only stuck to naturally occurring combinations.
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If we discover furs or something in those forests, it's faster to settle for those resources in the first ring of a city south of Seven Tribes than it is to settle Seven Tribes 4S of GM and waiting 10 turns for its borders to expand. So I think settling Seven Tribes 3S of GM is fine, and I'd go with Sullla's suggested actions this turn.
EDIT: I just realized one of the fogged forest tiles would be in the first ring of a city 4S of GM. So I'm undecided.
(December 14th, 2012, 04:28)novice Wrote: If we discover furs or something in those forests, it's faster to settle for those resources in the first ring of a city south of Seven Tribes than it is to settle Seven Tribes 4S of GM and waiting 10 turns for its borders to expand. So I think settling Seven Tribes 3S of GM is fine, and I'd go with Sullla's suggested actions this turn.
EDIT: I just realized one of the fogged forest tiles would be in the first ring of a city 4S of GM. So I'm undecided.
You are speaking of the chance of furs here and in fact these tiles could be in the second ring, but wouldn't we want to farm the wheat and pasture the cows first anyway? Any furs or whatever can certainnly wait 10 turns while the borders pop, no?
And I also agree with mh that a city 4s instead of 3s would be a waste. We overlap enough that we could easily settle a city south of Seven tribes and pick up whatever with that city. I think we are mostly locked in and moving the axe backward to extra scout something that will be revealed by a city that's already going to be placed.
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