[PB 55] Miguelito and Mjmd help Amicalola avoid a repetition of last time

[Amicalola]

Here we are. Signs should explain everything I've done, but our warrior is guarding the settler on T40 (out of borders), while Bourdain chops that forest as planned in our micro and Ramsey chops a new one that finishes on T41 for our monument the turn we settle. Anything obvious to change? Wheel is on 0% Because 50% takes two turns, and I don't think there's any point going to 60% to finish it now, since we aren't roading next turn.

Edit: OH 1W OF THE WHEAT works great! Takes an extra turn to get there, but perhaps better in every way once we do. Fantastic hammer city, plus unlocks sugar later. Totally workable with the moves I've done this turn also, since everyone just have to move for a turn longer, with just needing to figure out what our worker does for a turn. Miguelito thoughts?

Edit edit: Oh maybe Ramsey can just prechop that plains forest for a turn, and then link up with settler/warrior after. Gives flexibility to change as well if we realise it doesn't work for some reason.

[Amicalola]

btw here are the recent adventures of our scout:




Right now the Wheel is still on 0%, because we aren't roading next turn. We'll finish it with 100% next.

[Amicalola]

I'm really tempted to restructure the whole dotmap next turn. I really hadn't noticed until your suggestions to change but once you place them, they really do intrinsically seem set in stone!

[Miguelito]

You hate sharing this sheep with a passion, don't you
It's still my favourite though. You mentioned granaries, those should come about turn 50, so on the next whip cycle or the one after? I think after granaries 4 food for the 2 cities might be excessive actually - they'll be on +7 / +8 food, so growing from pop 2 to 4 (25 food), 3 to 5 (27) or even 4 to 6 (29) takes less than or just 4 turns - we'd stack up whip anger pretty fast, while the horse city grows slowly. Also we'd put a lot of excess food into settlers and workers most likely, which isn't great.
With 5 resources between 3 cities I'm pretty confident all 3 of them will enjoy nice whip cycles once we have the granaries online, which should be asap (we don't have settling races most likely, so doubling our food/ whip hammer output should be worthwhile in any city).
I understand it makes the micro awkward, well if the sheep is really needed at Coffee/Water we just accept that and put a few turns of horse hammers into something useful? . I mean at the copper site we'd spend the first few turns on the WB and completely without food, and 1W of wheat would also have to wait for the farm. Although my gut feeling would be giving it the sheep and growing, and delaying stuff at Water/Coffee a bit is better.

Religion I guess is for the shrine? Because the other boni are pretty unreliable before OR, and then you can take Judaism just as well, and still get a powerful shrine up. But of course I can see why it would make sense to try and secure it now. Hinduism though I assume (so we are on the path to Mono already)?
The only other Myst civ are Commodicator's Celts? Now they have a lot of incentive to go for Monotheism (SPI), and grab Masonry with their buffed UB on the way. So Meditation might be safer.
Archery was my proposed solution specifically to barb spears. Of course it's just a gamble whether those will appear or not, but defending with just warriors is nasty.

[Mjmd]

I think you've convinced me (on the horse spot, not that horse first was better ). Does mean we should keep the micro up to figure out the best use of that sheep between 3 cities at any one time. The main reason I'm already off 1W of wheat is that it limits future border clam city spot. If on the horse had literally any other good tiles........ LURKERS Please post in lurker thread if you would have done copper or horse first and which spot. Plus lurker thread hasn't had much activity so

Speaking of micro spreadsheets. Just because something isn't on there, doesn't mean you shouldn't be thinking about it. I hadn't put it in, because I was trying to do it at midnight ect, but we 100% should have been at 50% research on some prior turn to finish it next turn. Doesn't look like we will get punished, but still good thing to try to look at in advance.

I'm not going to lie I'm a sucker for organized religion (think favorite civic) It is soooo powerful early getting cities up and running. Now mind if you have to manually spread it kind of sucks. I do think we should get pottery first and i agree about Com/Pin. Med also opens up possible slow build oracle. If we wanted to go med I would actually say we do next? I think our next whips are still workers / settlers. We should then hit a nice number of cities pre currency and can use next rd of whips on infrastructure (granaries), before booming out again.

[Miguelito]

I think it makes some sense to grab Buddhism now, just to secure a religion, but delay OR some. With CHA we get similar boni as reliigion (culture and happy) from the cheap monuments. The OR hammer bonus can be very good, sure, but maybe not a #1 priority to have before currency? Maybe we get some free spreads in the meantime. Also, would we eat the anarchy turn for the change?

Worth considering as well to go for priesthood and get a great prophet with a temple, although those are quite some hammers. Oracle is a famous noobtrap (which arguably I stepped into myself in PB49), but in a game with rather few players like this it sometimes gets delayed quite a lot, also meaning you can get some very powerful techs. So I would advise strongly against building it when you are at 4 cities, but maybe when you are at like 7, if it's still there. But I see no need to steer our game towards landing it, we can tech ahead just fine anyways.

[Amicalola]

LURKERS Please post in lurker thread if you would have done copper or horse first and which spot. Plus lurker thread hasn't had much activity so

As if any lurkers are going to wade through this mess to find this.

[Amicalola]

Alright, looks like we're going with the original horse spot after all that. Miguelito you've convinced me as well, but yeah we are going to have to micro the Shit out of these 3 cities for ages. Which actually, is probably a great learning experience, so I suppose it's a good thing. We are happy with 4 (pigs), 5 (copper) and 6 (border) after that? that would mean we want to get those 6 out ASAP and then take a break to recover our military/economy afterwards, I think.

I quite like nabbing Buddhism fairly early, getting some passive spreads, and then 1-turning Poly/Mono sometime down the line to quickly nab OR when it's more necessary. It's also one of my favourite civics (like I said, I find passive value hard to resist; similar deal to my love of mints), but I think it's a priority sometime between 75-100, not right now.

[Amicalola]

Here is the situation EOT39 for micro purposes. Settler will settle T41 as our worker pops out and Ramsey finishes his chop. Meanwhile, Bourdain finishes his chop EOT40, and we need to work out what to do with him, and the 3d worker, starting from 41. Don't worry, I fixed the Wheel back to 100% after taking this.

[Mjmd]

I think it makes some sense to grab Buddhism now, just to secure a religion, but delay OR some. With CHA we get similar boni as reliigion (culture and happy) from the cheap monuments. The OR hammer bonus can be very good, sure, but maybe not a #1 priority to have before currency?  Maybe we get some free spreads in the meantime.  Also, would we eat the anarchy turn for the change?

Worth considering as well to go for priesthood and get a great prophet with a temple, although those are quite some hammers. Oracle is a famous noobtrap (which arguably I stepped into myself in PB49), but in a game with rather few players like this it sometimes gets delayed quite a lot, also meaning you can get some very powerful techs. So I would advise strongly against building it when you are at 4 cities, but maybe when you are at like 7, if it's still there. But I see no need to steer our game towards landing it, we can tech ahead just fine anyways.

 

Anyways, if we are going for meditation I think we should do it after wheel.

Amica, its time for you to present a micro plan!

I literally want a road map btw.