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[PB59 NO PLAYERS] - Jungle All The Way!

With regards to Miguelito's question about why Amica's thread has more views and posts:

I often think about how I know that I'm rooting for Amica due to literary, not in-game reasons. From a pure civ-playing perspective, Amica in his occasional crises of confidence has acknowledged that he has made unorthodox, non-standard  moves. By his own admission, he underbuilt cottages in the early-game, and his economy ran on intercontinental trade routes in the mid-game. Now that it's the endgame, he doesn't have the research or production capability to win a space race, and is falling a generation behind on military technology. Before this whole world war started, he admitted that he was a long-shot behind Picc and Mig.

And yet... for all that, I root for him, and my sympathies in this game lie with him, primarily for literary reasons. I think it's the usual comeback story. The hero shows moments of vulnerability and weakness, and yet somehow comes out on top anyway. Early in the partition of pindicator, I vaguely remember him despairing about his chances to win. Yet through some miracle, he managed to end up with pindicator's core. Similarly, in the mid-game, he was despairing over the possibility of a Cairo conquest and his relatively underdeveloped lands, yet he was able to survive based on intercontinental trade routes. In the late-game, I don't remember the exact details, but he's managed to use the Kremlin whip strategy combined with the hilariously broken Cereal Mills to become a major player, taking out many backwards civilizations and rendering Cairo irrelevant on the global stage. Now, despite his knowledge that he can't win a space race since he can't whip spaceship parts, he's (presumably) plotting how to conquer enough land to hit Domination (or at least give it the ol' college try).

Meanwhile, Picc doesn't report, and Mig, when I read his stuff, until lately I've always gotten the sense that he's confident and in control. For me, it reads more like a war diary of how to play Civilization (and lately play the geopolitical game), rather than Amica's more psychological description of a human struggling against the world. I fully admit I may be misreading reports due to merely skimming them, though.

One particular illustrative moment hits me: Amica and Mig's discussion of civics. Mig's discussion is purely on the technical, game level. He wishes he were in Nationhood and Theocracy to draft mechs. Amica's, meanwhile, dips into the RP level. He jokes that his slave-holding, Buddhist-theocratic dystopia where the citizens are grown on bland, corporate cereal, then ruthlessly culled to produce more tanks and bombers for an endless world war, is pretty similar to depictions of a dystopian future. It's mechanically defensible, but also provides a vivid image of the kind of empire he's ruling in the narrative. You can almost see him being a megalomaniacal, eternal autocrat, constantly doubting his own abilities yet dreaming of world conquest, rather than some person playing a video game.

This is not to knock anybody's games, of course. Whoever wins, wins, and save some sort of cheating scandal, they fully deserve it. Of course, we, as the readers, have no moral authority to critique any of these authors' works. And of course, I probably have subconsciously exaggerated my points for rhetorical effect. But wrapping things up, Miguelito, and with full knowledge that I should not be swayed by these literary, rhetorical appeals, I do find Amica's thread more engaging than yours. I hope you will forgive my cursed mind for thinking so, and do not take this as a recommendation to change your writing style.

And wow, I'm getting flashbacks to pindicator's quip, as preserved in Sullla's PB2 writeup, that half of the lurker comments in that game were dedicated psychoanalysis. I guess we can add literary criticism and book reports to the list. Hopefully the teacher won't catch that I've been skimming, rather than close-reading, the assignment.
More people have been to Berlin than I have.
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That is a much more thorough rendition of the one-liner I posted in Mig's thread smile It's not just about the gameplay, it's about the holistic reading experience. Also, Amica's improvement arc over the games he's played here has just been fun to follow, even if he's understandably done with multiplayer Civ for the time being after this game wraps up.

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Great post, thestick - but one thing I thought I'd point out:

(January 25th, 2022, 20:52)thestick Wrote: Meanwhile, Picc doesn't report

Picc reports regularly and in great detail, actually - with a great stable of dedlurkers commenting too! It's just that the conversation is on their own site:

https://www.civforum.de/showthread.php?1...m-Jenseits

The link is also in the first post of Piccadilly's thread at the bottom of our forum here.  It's basically all in German, but online translation tools do a good enough job that I can follow along.  The thread over there is definitely heavy on mechanics, light on storytelling though, more in the nature of Mig's than Amica's here - and I suspect a part of the fun in the way they report is lost in online translation.  I'm actually delighted by this endgame - not just that it's still contested even with a spaceship already en route to Centauri (which has happened ... I think twice in the history of RB before?) but that all three of the solid contenders and a couple of the other survivors are continuing to report regularly!  (It's also possible that Frozen and maybe civac2, who apparently goes by "hagen" on the German forum, are posting somewhere that I haven't found or with access restricted until the game ends; I'm not sure.  Either way, it's a really well-reported game!)
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Ack, apologies to Picc - I've been skimming this assignment so hard I forgot to read one of the assigned books! But yeah, agreed, it's a very interesting endgame here. Last I've seen like this was that PB where Cairo won a culture victory, I think.
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(January 25th, 2022, 22:56)thestick Wrote: Ack, apologies to Picc - I've been skimming this assignment so hard I forgot to read one of the assigned books! But yeah, agreed, it's a very interesting endgame here. Last I've seen like this was that PB where Cairo won a culture victory, I think.

pb43...


If more PB's could be like that, id be happy.
"Superdeath seems to have acquired a rep for aggression somehow. [Image: noidea.gif] In this game that's going to help us because he's going to go to the negotiating table with twitchy eyes and slightly too wide a grin and terrify the neighbors into favorable border agreements, one-sided tech deals and staggered NAPs."
-Old Harry. PB48.
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thestick... bow

It's really one of the most amazing games to watch, thanks to several well documented and fun reports.
Crazy finish...


Just a tiny info about the Civforum:
Civac/Hagen reported just next to Piccs thread. His first quick expansions in great detail until he seemed to be one of the major players here. Stopped reporting in September, maybe lack of time and/or motivation and people already had BIG empires at that time.
https://www.civforum.de/showthread.php?1...s-zu-Hause

Frozen and Dulland reported in a hidden sub-section. You need an account to read there. Was meant to keep out webcrawlers and the server keeps logs of who is visiting threads, so there is a small hurdle to not peek into forbidden stories. Sure, on paper... it's still all based on good sportsmanship.
Their reports seemed to be mostly coordination while showing some bits to lurkers. Interesting read in the early era but stopped too soon. Probably because they had only one (?) short war and went to full builder-mode, which might seem boring to read but must be an impressive job regarding their tech/eco
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I agree with thestick's analysis fully, it's the underdog appeal with the wacky outside shot. I also think it's very interesting that Miguelito as the clear second place is relying on Amicalola while actively disrupting him of the front with Lazteuq/Charriu. I mean the cold war is obvious after the common enemy is gone, but I think he takes a big risk overplaying his hand, and we saw Amica's response with the war declaration to cancel resource trades. It's a nailbiter watching this to see if Malinese ground control survives due to infighting among a jealous coalition  popcorn
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Regarding Piccadilly's question:

(January 31st, 2022, 13:40)Cornflakes Wrote: If I understand correctly, your income prior to the trade is +848 gpt (shown in top left of the screenshot) and accepting the trade results a deficit of 652 gpt. Thus you will run out of money in about 6 turns. At that point, your civ will begin a strike but Amicalola will still receive the 1500 gpt which get created from nothing.

I was not aware that trades exceeding your current income were allowed.

If this would indeed result in free money from this air due to strike then this could be a problem. It seems to me that the best course of action is to limit the maximum allowable value of the deal to the current income rate and current bold balance. Obviously this could still result in a strike and money creation if Piccadilly swaps off commerce tiles, stops wealth builds, loses cities, etc. But at least when the offer is made it is valid, and the amount of free money creation in the event of a strike is limited.
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So reload is required to Piccadilly’s login? And does Amicalola get informed of the issue with that offer and an opportunity (but not obligation) to offer a valid trade for Piccadilly’s maximum gpt income?
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Id agree with both of those.

Maybe one more lurker confirmation though
"Superdeath seems to have acquired a rep for aggression somehow. [Image: noidea.gif] In this game that's going to help us because he's going to go to the negotiating table with twitchy eyes and slightly too wide a grin and terrify the neighbors into favorable border agreements, one-sided tech deals and staggered NAPs."
-Old Harry. PB48.
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