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| Poll: Rome / America nerf (see first post) You do not have permission to vote in this poll. |
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| Rome nerf yes (praet 55h) | 6 | 18.75% | |
| Rome nerf no (praet 50h) | 10 | 31.25% | |
| America nerf UB (2->1GPP) | 8 | 25.00% | |
| America UB stays, UU back to Navy SEAL | 8 | 25.00% | |
| Total | 32 vote(s) | 100% | |
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Poll: CtH Rome and America nerfs
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(August 11th, 2023, 15:19)scooter Wrote: I think ORG on a high maintenance map did WAY more work, for example. Especially combined with the massive settling and Hanging Gardens play.
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Pitboss: PB39, PB40, PB52, PB59 Useful Collections: Pickmethods, Mapmaking, Curious Civplayer Buy me a coffee (August 11th, 2023, 06:38)Mjmd Wrote: There really isn't anything to stop someone from building HG and just getting free MoM and chaining 3 golden ages close together SACRIFICING NOTHING. Most other GP focused UBs you have to sacrifice something, with Americas you just build it...... I'm not even saying my strat is the only broken thing to do with it. You can probably still do broken things, but you might at least have to pick philosophic. I mean yes @ Scooter and Charriu I kind of said that. That is part of my point. I got to play a normal solid game and then didn't pay any price for an eng and three golden ages with a 4th on the way. I've failed at getting 3 golden ages in games here and its not uncommon or its really late in the game. I had a 4th on the way before modern era......  (August 11th, 2023, 16:56)Mjmd Wrote:(August 11th, 2023, 06:38)Mjmd Wrote: There really isn't anything to stop someone from building HG and just getting free MoM and chaining 3 golden ages close together SACRIFICING NOTHING. Most other GP focused UBs you have to sacrifice something, with Americas you just build it...... I'm not even saying my strat is the only broken thing to do with it. You can probably still do broken things, but you might at least have to pick philosophic. I'm saying the thing you had that felt oppressive was ORG, not America. ORG was by far the best trait on that map. I had Pyramids, Colossus, a deep beeline, and like 4 bulbs and I beat you to Astro by... 2 turns? And I beat the field there by an unknown massive number of turns given that nobody else was even close by end of game. I think ORG was a huge part of that, far more than a couple extra great people. My point is your "normal solid game" worked much more because you had way, way fewer expenses than everyone else thanks to ORG. I think America was like 15% of your success tops.
Monthly petition to nerf ORG please (Emperor games are superior to Monarch in every way, except that they make ORG ridiculously OP).
Got me MoM. Got me an earlier golden age, which helped grab music GA and fire off a continuous 2nd GA. This was the only reason I could keep up and it was enabled by America more than 15%. I think you are underselling getting MoM for free for some reason??? When was the last time someone fired off a 4 person golden age? (edit: without getting a free specialist at that, I wanted it to deny and also to make it faster, but it wasn't required)
(August 11th, 2023, 22:02)Mjmd Wrote: Got me MoM. Got me an earlier golden age, which helped grab music GA and fire off a continuous 2nd GA. This was the only reason I could keep up and it was enabled by America more than 15%. I think you are underselling getting MoM for free for some reason??? When was the last time someone fired off a 4 person golden age? (edit: without getting a free specialist at that, I wanted it to deny and also to make it faster, but it wasn't required) Nobody was ever going to beat you to MoM, and the Music GA was another player inexplicably saying "no thanks" to taking it for like 25 turns despite having it freely available. I was actually relieved that you burned the Engineer on MoM, I think that was actually a (small) mistake tbh. I teched Calendar roughly 70T after you completed MoM, by the way. Bing didn't have the tech to get there, and Charriu was settling GP, so MoM didn't really fit with him, so literally your only competition for it was Superdeath, and he was lagging behind you. In fact, SD and I did not even have Math yet, let alone Calendar. Only you and Charriu did, so that Engineer rush made 0 difference. Don't believe me? Check out my chat with Charriu. ![[Image: ERyQ1Yi.png]](https://i.imgur.com/ERyQ1Yi.png) We planned to try to bait you into burning the Engineer on a wonder you had in the bag. We were happy it worked, and Charriu telling you he "did not see it coming" in his chat with you directly after was a very funny lie.
You did birth an engineer shortly after, its not like you couldn't have teched calendar and used.
You are also getting caught up in specifics without realizing this is repeatable. Its not like going HG in a city with early library is that hard. This can be done again and again. Also, as stated I'm not even positive that is the most / only busted thing you can do with it. The UB has no even close comparisons among other GP producing UBs until education.....
Could you do something minor to ORG, like -40%?
Erebus in the Balance - a FFH Modmod based around balancing and polishing FFH for streamlined competitive play.
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