WW20: Legend of the Undercity

[LeChuck]

I don't think you're stupid, but I think you're scared that I'm pulling some kind of masterpiece. I don't know your situation -- and I'm sorry that this game is causing that kind of stress.

Good god. It's not a masterpiece. You have been on my radar the entire game. You haven't played well. The village has played like shit. The village has not killed one scum! Meiz the serial killer killed two and Azza suicided! Don't flatter yourself scum.

[LeChuck]

So if you think Ryan is the last scum, then why am I still alive? He scanned me day 2. He sees a tracker and let's him live? Pretty ballsy move, don't you think?

Yeah if he were scum, but you're the scum so it doesn't matter does it?

[LeChuck]

Fake Edit: Tracking Targets. Seriously Lewwyn, read what I wrote about that. Don't just jump to conclusions. If I'm so wrong on my targets then why did I double up with Ichabod on the last 2 nights? Why did I defend Brick and try to calm Serdoa down after telling him off about pushing Brick? Come on man, read my stuff! At least give me that courtesy before you mislynch me.

Are you fucking kidding me? You scanned Brick. As scum you would be trying to defend Brick because you scanned him. That's trying to get village cred. You're proving why you're scum. I read your stuff and it fits with scum.[/i]

[LeChuck]

Just gonna say again, Molach isn't scum. His posts, his attacks on Azza, everything says he's not scum. His role as a neighbor actually points towards him being scum not SK. Scum I could see having that role because we've seen it in other games, btu I think Uber made both neighbors village for just that reason. And he's not SK.

Pin and Meiz have to go that's all there is to it.

[LeChuck]

@pindicator - you say, maybe Molach is more SK? if Molach is SK and that means Meiz isn't SK, then who's left to be the last scum?? It doesn't work the only one would be Ryan and you're arguing against that. You're only voting Molach and you're only putting forth Molach as a target. Why? Because it is LyLo. All you need is one mislynch and its game over. You aren't looking past Molach.

You say:

All right, we're getting somewhere at least now. I agree with you that Molach has looked completely different this game, and I've already posted earlier today why I thought he wasn't scum. He could be SK, I suppose, I hadn't thought of that.

So if you think Ryan is the last scum, then why am I still alive? He scanned me day 2. He sees a tracker and let's him live? Pretty ballsy move, don't you think?

Great! So Molach possible SK and then no other scum target. Pindi its obvious you;re not thinking past this day's mislynch because you are scum. You aren't scum hunting you're simply attacking me and trying to make it through the day to get the win.

[pindicator]

Are you fucking kidding me? You scanned Brick. As scum you would be trying to defend Brick because you scanned him. That's trying to get village cred. You're proving why you're scum. I read your stuff and it fits with scum.[/i]

Can't you see this is confirmation bias?

Seriously Lewwyn, look around. Look at who is trying to figure stuff out and who is letting you do your locked on bit. Ryan is trying to figure stuff out, he swapped to Molach. Molach isn't arguing a case, he's sitting back. Same with Meiz. That's all the scum tell you need. The two people who aren't posting (and who can) that aren't trying to make a case or convince people.

I'm gonna keep pounding WW17 in you because IT'S THE SAME FUCKING SITUATION ALL OVER AGAIN. What happened at the end game there? jkaen was trying to figure stuff out. You were trying to figure stuff out. I was trying to figure stuff out. But Azza just sat back and let you attack me.

It's happening all over again here! What were the posts from Meiz & Molach after Azza's explosion? They post 1 summary post with me as the vote each. And no follow up. They don't want to ask questions. They don't want to figure stuff out. Just like Azza didn't want to figure stuff out in WW17. They're the scum. Ryan is asking questions and testing hypothesis. So is Qgqqqqq.

Here's what they post:

I think his power fits well with SK - he hasn't claimed anything apart from neighbor and it'd be just like Uber to combine a SK and a town. (I want to see SK and wolf next time tho )
Also before I got distracted with the Pin/ryan reveal bigger and I were onto him - reread some of the posts.
The one thing that wasn't fitting was his play yesterday - but as someonje posted once the SK has the most lonliest of games and I think Molach fits into that as he's never really engaged with anyone and seems like he's trying to manage that razors edge of avoiding lynch while still attracting enough suspiscion to avoid Nightkills.

Also lets look at the night Bigger/Ichabod died.
At this point the scum aren't really winning with no scumlynches but two dead regardless. So I think its less likely skmolach would be hunting scum OR aiding scumby hunting confirmed villagers, so skmolach would instead be taking the time to hunt those onto him - i.e. me or Bigger.
This actually also accounts for the one NK the night novice died (2?).
That was the day in which I was really ripping into Molach - maybe he decided to kill me that night and it failed?

All in all I'm interested in a Molach lynch - or at least hearing his claim.

Pind is scum, molach is sk.

(By the way, you still haven't answered why I would tell Azza to kill Serdoa if we're teammates. Serdoa was one of the few people listening to me. Stop skipping the questions that don't fit with your pre-conceived theory!)

I'm locked in now. If you really think we're in LYLO then you'll vote with the people you think are village, Lewwyn. That's what we need to do. You may wonder why I'm using all my posts on you; that's because you're the only villager not voting with the group! All you have to do is trust me and we have this Lewwyn. Seriously, just like WW17. All you have to do is trust me and it's won. I don't know why I look scummy to you because you can't even give me a solid reason. But your gut is wrong here. Just like Serdoa's gut was wrong about Qgqqqqq for the "200 small reasons" (not exact quote, but that's the gist of it), and why my gut was wrong on Azza. Look at who is asking questions and trying to sort it out, and who is just sitting back and letting this happen. Please. You will not regret voting off me, I swear you won't.

And if you really want to go through with lynching me... I thought i was going to enjoy saying I told you so again. But really, I'm gonna feel sorry for you.


At least now I don't have to worry about writing any more

[LeChuck]

Of course, Meiz isn't saying anything. He's the Sk. But you are ignoring the argument that Molach isn't scum. "Vote with villagers" is a fallacy. If a villager jumps off a cliff are you going to do that too? What happened to cat herding? You want me to go with the flow?

All you're doing is attacking me. You accuse Molach and Meiz of doing no questioning and so they are scum, but you are doing the same thing. All you are doing is attacking me you're not looking at other possibilities besides Molach. You want me to give you a pass because you attack me? Smear me? My judgment?

You ask why Azza killed Serdoa and I'll tell you. I believe its because Azza can only suicide on someone who is voting for him.

You never answered the question of why Azza chose to suicide to save you. You don't even address it. If this was your final post you're doing a terrible job of answering all the questions. I think you are using your "anger" as justification for writing these posts quickly so that you run out of you "allotted" posts for the day and you can be justified in being locked in on Molach.

[Molach]

I won't be on much today, very sporadic access and nothing after 16.00.

But my vote is on the last scum so no need.

Pind is scum because Azza would not blow up to save a villager. This was the Lylo moment, they would have won tomorrow/today if Q had been mislynched.

Scan me tonight, Q already said was 1-shot nightkill immune

[LeChuck]

I'm 100% sure that Meiz is the SK. But I can't get him lynched today. Pindi didn't even try to get Meiz lynched even though he thinks Meiz is scum.

I ask myself why would Azza commit suicide when he wasn't going to be lynched? He didn't know for sure that Ryan would switch to him, and in fact Ryan never did. So if Pindicator is innocent and Molach is his partner why wouldn't he let pindi die? And Molach was voting for Azza so if he was the scum partner then why did he push Azza THAT HARD! And if Molach is Azza's scum partner he could have EASILY switched to Pindi and then they would know for sure that pindi was mislynched and the game was basically won.

Molach can not be Azza's scum partner.

If not Molach, I ask you who else could be Azza's partner?

Me? No.
Qg? No we think he's innocent.
Meiz? No he killed Tasunke and so is at the very least not a member of the scum team.
Ryan? The closest thing we have to another suspect, but ultimately we think is cleared.
Pindi? THE ONLY ONE LEFT, and coincidentally the benefactor of Azza's suicide.

So there you have it. Molach cannot be Azza's partner. The only thing he could possibly be is the SK, but I simply don't see it at all given his neighbor role. Meiz is a much better fit, has scummier posts, and is totally been low-key and disappearing throughout the last two days and his role fits with the SK. His day kill lines up with the single nightkill on N2.

Pindi and Meiz.

Do not listen to Pindi saying I'm paranoid. I'm laying the truth out for you right here. I'm explaining exactly why I feel the way I feel. Pindicator is trying to slander and shame me into voting for Molach. If you think Molach is the SK. Who do you think is Azza's partner? And as a result who can you be more sure is scum. Pindicator is 100% the village's best bet to hit scum today.

[Meiz]

Lewwyn, you need to take a step back from your confirmation bias on me. You mentioned Molach clearing me as the SK and refusing to vote me. What the SK needs to do is get a player with him to the end game, who will be voted over him.

Molach has been active, he has been thoughtful, he has posted good thoghts and he has been engaging he has not been this loner player you guy shave tried to paint him as to fit him into the SK role! He's been after Azza for days as well. His behavior does not fit with scum or with SK.

I agree his behavior does not fit scum. But to repeat myself, the comparison to his villager game is very different. He was the top poster there, and he had urgency in his posts. Where is his urgency to hunt to SK now? He just needs to lynch Pind today, and then let you vote me off tomorrow.

Just gonna say again, Molach isn't scum. His posts, his attacks on Azza, everything says he's not scum. His role as a neighbor actually points towards him being scum not SK. Scum I could see having that role because we've seen it in other games, btu I think Uber made both neighbors village for just that reason. And he's not SK.

Pin and Meiz have to go that's all there is to it.

We have also had villager-villager neighbor roles, more than villager-wolf. Stop trying to outguess uber to make assumptions as facts. It has never worked.


At this point I'm starting to feel the only way we can win this game is to prove I'm not the SK by lynching Molach. I'd rather vote Pind, but Lewwyn you need to reconsider your stance on me.