Civs in RtR: Thread 2

[pindicator]

I was thinking 15% at first but was scared of making it too strong. 10% really is 20% faster than everyone else because everyone has a granary by then (well, a little less with rounding). So often in MP games the player that gets their cities larger faster has the better economy, and this gives the Khmer the identity of getting big populations faster in their cities than other players.

I missed the NA discussion. Was this already proposed as an idea for them?

And I'm entirely clueless on the Ballistaphant. I figure if we get a good Baray concept down then I'll have an easier time knowing the power level to shoot for in the UU

[Krill]

This is the proposal for NA.

Hunting/Agriculture UB: Totem Pole, monument replacement, available at Archery, +3 XP to archery units. UU: Tracker, scout replacement, Woodsman 3, can create totem poles

We good with this? W3 means that a scout can get M3/W3 with 17XP for the real supermedic, in addition to the 15 hammer cost of immediate culture production. I reckon it feels a bit shallow but at the same time I can't really argue that it's weak.

[mackoti]

This is the proposal for NA.

Hunting/Agriculture UB: Totem Pole, monument replacement, available at Archery, +3 XP to archery units. UU: Tracker, scout replacement, Woodsman 3, can create totem poles

We good with this? W3 means that a scout can get M3/W3 with 17XP for the real supermedic, in addition to the 15 hammer cost of immediate culture production. I reckon it feels a bit shallow but at the same time I can't really argue that it's weak.

Its better then a salon for france par example.

[Krill]

Is Tracker+Totem Pole better than Salon+Musketeer though?

[mackoti]

Is Tracker+Totem Pole better than Salon+Musketeer though?

With the new tech costs no UU is better then musketeer.So musketeer alone is better then both.

[Krill]

Then it's probably fine (to play and see how it works out).

[pindicator]

I'd be interested in playing NA in that form. Encourages more early game exploring and fog busting, gives a pseudo CRE for city placement.

[Krill]

Ok, let me put this up for debate. Not expecting this to be anything more than a starting point, but it's worth talking about how to break it and what the numbers look like when you break it.

Khmer: Hunting/Mining. UB: Aqueduct replacement. Baray. +1 food. Saves 10% food on growth. UU: War Elephant replacement. Ballistaphant. Requires Baray. No resource requirement. Can create Baray.

[Charriu]

I like the proposed baray. To be honest I thought about X% food on growth, but I felt that I would put forward another OP idea.  

The Ballistaphant looks nice. Would you say that "create baray" + "targets mounted units first outside city" would be too strong?

[pindicator]

Another way to look at it would be to say a city with +7fpt would take 30 turns to grow from 5 to 15 with a granary. With a baray at +1 food (so +8 overall) and 10% saved that becomes 22 turns, and at 15% it becomes 20 turns. I was starting to talk myself into +15% because you have to build a 80h building you weren't normally going to build, but maybe 10% is good enough.