We should do a testgame today then. I am online except for a small break at lunch.
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(August 15th, 2022, 21:27)Ginger() Wrote: Personally Indonesia is my favorite civ full stop, but does the extra gold from England’s dockyards count as adjacency bonus? Idk how big a deal Shipyards are as it seems the meta is not to build the units you want but rather upgrade them. I think Japan might be better than Korea as the science pick, but that depends on the world age of the map (young earth more mountains/geothermals=more campus adjacency) Yeah, shipyards are decently strong but come pretty late on the tree at Mass Production. Last game I did build a few, but I think only at locations where they were worth 8 hammers or more. Even that is a 36-turn payback horizon for the 290-hammer building - I thought it unlikely at the time that the game would go long enough for them to pay back, but Woden convinced me otherwise and turned out to be right as usual  Japan would be a rad science pick, if we can get them.... Last time they went with the FIRST pick, and, while I doubt that will happen again, I also think it's unlikely they'll last all the way to the 6th or 7th. If they do, though, they'd be a bargain that late. (August 15th, 2022, 21:27)TheArchduke Wrote: We should do a testgame today then. I am online except for a small break at lunch. Cool, let's do it! I'll be free in about an hour, then we can play until Jongs or so. 
Ok, rad - I think I sent you a Steam friend request, but if not my friend code is 437988798 - feel free to add me and I'll set up a game
I also tried to set up the world's jankiest streaming setup in case any lurkers want to follow along. No promises about my sad bad computer's ability to actually handle streaming, but may as well give it a shot.
lollll well, i utterly failed to get streaming/video recording working in time BUT we did do a test game
that had both nan madol and the bermuda triangle in it blessings from the water map gods  TAD reports 100+ GPT from Portugal just from the 5 TRs, and we didn't even find all the other teams lmao Going to meet up again before work my time = after work TAD's time and try to play one up until Jongs at which point i will hopefully suck less and can actually record the thing and will also remember to disable a) online speed and b) goody huts
I had a quick watch of the 6 minute video on the twitch channel and it worked, but your voice was completely lost amidst the roaring music.
sounds about right
 lol i've never streamed before in my whole degenerate life so this is gonna be a Trial And Error Process  also the windows partition on my civ laptop overheats at the slightest provocation SO i dunno but i'll try again in the morning edit: ps neither TAD nor I are quite sure of what we should be doing with the ridic early-game gold income from Portugal. I kinda think the answer might just be to buy all the traders, then immediately start saving for Jongs...
That could fuel some MAJOR monumentality expansion if either of you get the GA for it. I don't think anyone has leaned on gold-fueled monumentality settler purchases in this game yet as faith is usually the more effective choice, but it is an option, it comes with the same relative discount (30%) as faith purchases, and if you're rolling in dough it's a pretty great way of accelerating the midgame growth curve. Plus you can trade between you, so Portugal doesn't have to be the civ to hit the GA and get big if you don't want them to be.
That's another aspect you probably want to be thinking about early, actually: once you get far enough into the game that your two civs are competing for land and resources, which one is going to be the larger partner and how are you going to make that happen? The power of an unequal split was made pretty clear in PBEM20 so that is definitely the direction you'll want to go eventually.
gold-fueled monumentality! that's a really interesting idea, and one i hadn't really considered. i suppose it depends on the geopolitical situation and whether there is any feasible attack target... i have my doubts as to whether it will be safe to do large-scale spending on anything other than ship upgrades (in PBEM20 we never had enough ships and i eventually regretted almost every non-upgrade purchase) but definitely something to keep in mind/in our back pocket. in particular if we do NOT land indonesia, we will be niter-limited for frigate upgrades and unable to build more galleys to upgrade, which could combine to yield a good environment for settler buys....
larger partner is a very interesting question.... if we end up with something like a gold civ + science civ pairing, i think "pick the science civ" is a decent generic answer to that? portugal/korea definitely wants a bigger korea to spam seowons and put the game away by threatening a very fast refining, for instance the other important consideration there seems to be efficiency of conquest. in PBEM20 Norway was the right "get huge" choice because the pillage ability made them effectively the "science civ" in our pairing... but even they hadn't had that going for them, they still would have been the right choice because they were in a golden age at the right time to hold the conquests in Japan/England against loyalty pressure. we were on SUCH a tight timetable there w respect to the inevitable Russian stab that delays from flips would mean you got to attack us before we finished conquering the mainland, a pretty terrifying prospect  edit: one very important early gold buy would be a Great Admiral... if we don't have Phoenicia or England we will likely get precisely zero of them in the pre-frigates era otherwise...... |
