WW20: Lair of the Lurkers

[NobleHelium]

Well clearly the next time you play scum should just kill zak and frame you. If zak doesn't get killed then he must be scum.

[NobleHelium]

I guess Tasunke traded in the arsonist hat for the survivalist/traitor hat.

[Gaspar]

Definitely convinced I got SK'd rather than vigged, which means maybe I was killed for strong village play rather than scumminess.

I honestly thought I played pretty well, but this is pretty much the best outcome for me, if not for my team.

[zakalwe]

Nothing wrong with your play as far as I can tell, Gaspar. I thought you were suspicious, but I always do, so that doesn't really say much.

This ties into why I said Serdoa sucks all the fun out of the game (for me). I'll explain that now, since he wanted to discuss it after the game. Apparently, he has developed a bias towards always seeing me as scum. That's fine, but as an intelligent player I expect him to be able to compensate for that. This game, we didn't even make it through day 1 before he hit me with a wall of text labeling everything I had said and done as suspicious. And I believe that was all founded in me disagreeing with him about his main suspect, after which he just let his confirmation bias run wild.

What I often do on day 1 is to pick someone who seems likely to be innocent, and reason about who might be scum if that is true. This fails spectacularly when the person I pick as innocent is in fact scum, such as Q a couple of games back, but it is still a much more sound approach than picking someone you think is scum, and extrapolating wildly based on that. If you assume somebody is innocent, you'll be right roughly 75% of the time, so if you combine that with a good scum tell predicated on said innocence, you actually have a decent chance of hitting scum. Assuming that X is scum and then hitting Y with a wall of text of pure, unmitigated bias based on that assumption, is just counterproductive. If you suspect X, just push to lynch X, and take it from there. As a bonus, you'll also look less silly when X flips innocent.

Also, it should probably be noted that I'm a lot more sensitive to being called scum than most players. I almost always feel like I'm making solid contributions to town, so accusations against me tend to feel unfair and misguided. I'm not saying that's true, but that's how I tend to feel about it. It's a personality trait.

Of course, if Serdoa is scum, then his play makes sense. But either way, the above explains why I said what I did.

[uberfish]

So... anyone want to play guess the roles now we've had 3 flips?

[flugauto]

2 and a half flips would be more accurate

[Commodore]

Heh, unless you were Vigged by Tasunke. ITALIAN! HE SPOKE ITALIAN! YOU KNOW WHO ELSE DID? EMPEROR NERO. WHO LET ROME BURN BY FIDDLING!!! ARSONIST WOLF!

[Gaspar]

Basically sounds to me that Serdoa has become zakalwe to your Gaspar. It doesn't actually bother me when I'm actually scum of course, since you're right. I actually found playing scum easier than normal this time because I was never intending to last until the end and I just tried to make reads based on being village for the time I was there - I didn't do my usual focus on trying to make friends as well. Whether I sprinkled some deception in there is for the village to decide, and they're certainly currently spilling a lot of ink on it.

Tasunke's arguments about me are patently ridiculous. It takes all of 5 seconds to throw a random word into google translate and C+P it into the thread. I probably would have RP'ed more if I was town, actually. Tasunke being patently ridiculous is a null tell of course, since he's patently ridiculous.

[Gaspar]

Tasunke can't catch a break.

[uberfish]

Tasunke can't catch a break.

At least he got to be the arsonist!