[Spoiler]PB44 Lurker Thread: Nostalgia Edition

[Rusten]

NVM, I just read that you've yet to allocate food.

[Charriu]

I had a look at the map. Here is what I noticed:

• Lincoln is the only player with settler and warrior on different tiles
  
• Sitting Bull has no horses (you could add one 3N of him)
  
• Sitting Bull also lacks coal
  
• Hatshepsuts coal is also a bit too far away
  
• Alexander/Mali has no coal
  
• Elizabeth's iron seems a bit too far away (maybe move the iron in the west of her 2E)
  
• I hate to be Alexander/Mali in this game. Almost no happiness resources, few land and food also looks not that great.
  
• Huayna Capac/Greece looks also like a hard match.
  
• Bismarcks position on the other hand looks really great
  

[Rusten]

NVM, I just read that you've yet to allocate food.

Or not? Is this supposed to be the final version?

I'll rewrite what I first wrote before the edit:

The easternmost starts are much worse than the rest. Greece is forced to island hop (at least there's something!), but Mali is straight up fucked. There's room for just 1 city that claims food and nowhere else to go. It's unplayable in the current state, or at the very least it's axe rush or bust.

Greek start can be helped by making some/all fish coastal rather than ocean.

[Krill]

Rusten...that's why I don't want to use Pangaea. This is probably the best one I rolled. The food is pretty much fucked for two players on any map. The map just about stretches to 110 tiles per player. The map settings then jump to 150 tiles per player and that's not what they wanted.

I'm not allowed to edit outside the capital. That's actually a closed to finished map according to what they asked for.

[Krill]

I don't know why, but B&S maps just have better resource generation.

[Rusten]

Pangea always was shit, even for single player. Maybe it's because it's unchanged from vanilla while B&S was introduced in BtS.

If your hands are that tied then this game is going to be... interesting. Ideally someone will convince the players to use a B&S pangea instead, cuz that map is miserable to look at.

[Charriu]

6) Mapmaker: Krill. He is supposed to roll a reasonable map, balance capitals and give everyone strategic resources. No further balancing effort is expected.

I would say that "give everyone strategic resources" does not need to be inside the capital. So could at least level the playing field there. Biggest problems there are propably the missing horse for Sitting Bull and the iron situation for some players.

[Rusten]

Mali is not even on a PH btw, just to add further insult to injury

[Rusten]

This does explain why you're so insistent on not being responsible for who starts where, because the Mali position player would surely want to find you and kill you.

[Hitru]

I think we should tell the players that pangae does not give good starts and ask if it is ok to use big and small instead. No one likes to play from dead start and it would be nice if some of the new players would actually stay here.