UK Politics Discussion Thread

[Charriu]

One can hope that fear campaigns are over. I just wanted to mention that the other side also ran fear campaigns in the past. (Fear of migration, fear of a ramping crime rate and demonizing the opponent as socialists/communists)

[Cyneheard]

One can hope that fear campaigns are over.

Sorry, not happening.

[Charriu]

I was only responding to ipecac's post about"project fear failing". To be honest I don't believe that fear mongering will stop any time soon.

[MJW (ya that one)]

Exit polls shows that 52% would vote remain. It's understating the remain lead because leavers like voting more and remainers live in less competitive districts. I don't think there were the votes for second referendum because the Tories who got kicked out know that Rainbow wouldn't prop up Johnson anymore against angry DUP which would force a GE. If Rainbow wins it EU would be happy to accept a non-brexit brexit. So the second referendum would just be a free coinflip because Johnson has to win a GE anyway. So it would fail and force a GE anyway. SNP wanted early GE because of Salmond while Lib Dem wanted one early to hamper Labour's squeeze against them.

[MJW (ya that one)]

Labour was planning on gaining a majority after all:

   

Their sole pickup was an open seat who used to have an ultra-strong Pro-EU incumbent. 

I'm pretty sure Labour doesn't have the intelligence level to push for PR so they will lose until the lib dems inevitably implode which will cause labour to win all of London uncontested and free them up to pivot to the center so they can win the swing districts (immigration). Lib Dems were a miss-mash of national parties and other people who didn't like labour and conservatives and have no place with SNP existing.

[MJW (ya that one)]

The two labour candidates are very left. Have fun getting spoiled by the lib dems. I get the sense they still consider lib-dems center right when now they are really center-left. If they were smart they would go for PR or spend the entire next election hurting lib dems but they won't.

[Brian Shanahan]

The two labour candidates are very left. Have fun getting spoiled by the lib dems. I get the sense they still consider lib-dems center right when now they are really center-left. If they were smart they would go for PR or spend the entire next election hurting lib dems but they won't.

Nah the lib-dems are still very much to the right, so much so that you could barely fit a Rizla paper between their and the tories' political platforms (with the obvious exception of the EU). Their political platform is still the orange book, the lib dems version of the tories' britannia unchained. And their last leader had a very strong pro-tory voting record, along with her party colleagues.

If the lib-dems are left, then it is a very weird kind of left wing, one that has abandoned all its principals and morals. Oh wait, I forget this is a post Bliar Britain, never mind.

[MJW (ya that one)]

EU and the baggage it brings (immigration) is more important than everything else. If that were not the case the lib dems vote's when they got squeezed (tactical voting pressure) would have went to Tories, not Labour. If you check out new political science literature they now consider lib dems left. It feels weird because it's only one issue. It also shows why the lib dems are screwed and will only manage to bleed off labour: you cannot be a successful left-wing party while only being left on one issue.

So I feel that Labour is making a fatal mistake: they should be hurting lib dems next election because they are left wing and bleed off votes from them (or go for PR). Instead, because they consider lib dems right wing, they are helping them on purpose: nominating a very left person makes Tories look far right and encourages people to vote lib dem and also gives lib dems space to breath. They will also give lib dems a free ride while viciously attacking Tories for them.

[Mr. Cairo]

The two labour candidates are very left.

There are more than two, who are you talking about here?

[MJW (ya that one)]

RLB and Starmer are the only people who have a chance. There are others but they don't count as the have no chance. They are even struggling to make it to the ballot.