[SPOILERS - PBEM17] regoarrarr - Bismarck of Inca

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Updated beaker counts:
Us: 38443
Darrelljs: 33123
Nospace: 29845
Oledavy: 26559
Shoot: 24810

Okay that's a little hard to quantify, and I think that some of my lead comes from my researching "dumb" techs like Divine Right. So let's do a player by player list of who's got what

Darrelljs
I am up: Drama, Literature, Divine Right, Engineering, Theology, Divine Right, Chemistry, Corporation, Economics
He is up: Rifling

Nospace
I am up: Aesthetics, Drama, Literature, Divine Right, Theology, Philosophy, Constitution, Corporation, Democracy, Liberalism, Nationalism, Communism
They are up: Biology, Steel

Oledavy
I am up: Archery, Construction, Literature, Divine Right, Theology, Engineering, Chemistry, Constitution, Corporation, Democracy, Economics, Liberalism, Communism
He is up: Music, Physics

Shoot the Moon
I am up: Divine Right, Engineering, Astronomy, Chemistry, Corporation, Democracy, Liberalism, Communism, Scientific Method
He is up: Horseback Riding, Rifling

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Aaaaaand this



Could be a problem.

That's 8 more East Indiamen on the south side of things. Also Hattin has a musket in it so I can't take that anyways.

I wonder how many units are on those? His power hasn't been climbing that much and he's got at least 15 EIs that I've seen. Seems like a power check is in order tonight.

I don't think the city's really in danger unless those are all fully loaded. I've got a musket in Nowitzkiville already, 2 more on that galleon that i could offload, draft another one and could upgrade a warrior if I felt like it.

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So with his defenses up, and my "Krill" letter rendered moot, I sent him a quick note asking for an explanation on his 8 East Indiamen, which led to the following chat

davidharris93: An airship spotted a galleon in position to boat the lightly guarded city of Hattin
They're there to deter any hostile action
me: wow 8 east indiamen to deter my one galleon?
davidharris93: I'm paranoid, what can I say :D
me: so surely you can see how i might feel threatened by them?
davidharris93: Yes, I can
me: i mean my guys fight well but there's only so much they could do against 32 muskets

davidharris93: Those Incans are ferocious fighters so I hear :P
me: heh
davidharris93: nonetheless, the East Indiamen are merely a deterent and I do not plan to boat T-Hawk
me: i guess for me
it depends on whether you plan to attack me or not
something that to me
has remained unclear
for several turns
you're in nationhood and have rifling
i am also in nationhood and have rifling
we're fairly evenly matched technologically
i have frigates, you have EIs
you have airships, but i have a MFG production lead
it doesn't seem like it makes sense for us to fight
davidharris93: Not really, it will only drag both of us back while Darrell techs to space
me: right
so i feel like i need some (concrete) assurances from you regarding the 15 (!) East Indiamen near my borders
because i feel like i can't let you get in the first punch
davidharris93: understandable
likewise, would rather not have Hattin razed
me: also understandable
so last time we talked, i had proposed a short term rolling NAP
that gives us both flexibility should things change
but in the meantime means we don't have to worry as much about opportunistic boatings
and such
davidharris93: what should I do with my military then? I have a substantial force built up, if I do not leverage it into more land I slip into a position of irrelevancy
me: wait i thought you weren't going to attack me?
davidharris93: I didn't say I was
just spelling out my position
me: i understand what you're saying
Not connected - [i just don't think throwing your muskets (And soon to be rifles) on my muskets (and soon to be rifles) is going to get you anywhere]
Sent at 17:59 on Monday
me: sorry - computer hiccupped
davidharris93: it's all good
me: anyways i understand what you're saying
but i don't think that throwing your muskets (and soon to be rifles) against my muskets (and soon to be rifles) is going to get you anything

He had to go but we are going to try and connect later tonight or tomorrow to iron things out.

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So oledavy got a hold of darrell and must have convinced some sort of mojo on him, and so:

a) oledavy is not renewing his NAP with me

b) darrell initiated his cooldown with me. We're rules-lawyering the exact turn hostilities can commence (it's defined as a 10 turn cooldown)

I would expect Shoot the Moon to also join in

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Some chats with darrell where we haggled on what a 10 turn cancellation really turn. I suggested that he canceled after he played his T123, meaning that the 10 turns were T124-133, and he could attack on T134. He read between the lines and asked if I was suggesting that because I have NOT played T123, that my 10 turns were T123-132 and I could attack on T133.

(Which I was)

And I do think that is right but I didn't feel like arguing with him about it, so we agreed to both attack on t134

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Finally playing the save and the first check is whether I can get Rifling and Physics, both in 1t.

Actually the first thing to check was darrell's chat lies

Darrell: I think my GNP last turn was 1200 and yours was 1900
AFTER YOUR GA ENDED AND MINE STARTED

Sadly (for him, or for me from an avoid the dogpile perspective), he speaks true.

Now, I could say that I am researching Rifling, which is known by 3 other civs, so that gives me a bonus there and I do have a lot of Culture and Espionage, but yeah.

I guess it's hard to "brag" about Parkinizing the last 22 techs (though only in-thread) while talking out the other side of my mouth about how I'm not THAT far ahead

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Okay but the SECOND thing to do, yes the SECOND thing to do is check if I can get Rifling and Physics, both in 1 turn.

I currently have about 70% of Rifling from overflow, or 1610 beakers. I do have enough money to run 100% science for the 2 turns, should I choose to, which nets 1503 bpt.

So this turn (T123) that's 1503 bpt * 1.45 for pre-req and 3 known civs, or 2179 beakers plus the 1610 I already have minus the 2299 from the cost of Rifling, gives me 1490 rollover [strike]minutes[/strike] beakers.

Divide those back by 1.45, gives 1027, plus another 1503 from next turn, equaling 2530 * 1.275 for pre-req and 1 known civ, gives 3225 beakers towards Physics.

Looking up Physics, we see that it costs 3832 beakers. So I'd need to come up with 600 beakers, or about 470 raw beakers, meaning turning my 1503bpt at max science to 1738. Seems dicey

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When it rains it pours

Rego,

Unfortunately I must initiate the cooldown on our NAP. Seeing as the last turn either of us played was t122, my understanding of our 5t cooldown would be that it lasts until the end of t127/beginning of t128. Is that your understanding as well?

Shoot

I replied that I agreed that we could both initiate hostilities on T128.

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And who was the wise guy who thought that revolting out of Slavery was a good idea?!?!?!!?

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As I stream of conscious threadspam, if oledavy declares war / closes borders, that will definitely mean no Physics next turn. I'm getting close to being able to do it (building research seems like better than building random jails / infra, and no sense building muskets when I'll have Rifling EOT).

But I wonder if it's better to just take Physics in 2t, and save money for upgrades and such.