Well after last night I still find Commodore and Rowain suspicious, and find Tansuke less suspicious than previous as I assume he was placed up there to try and save the white wolf.
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Werewolf 12: Game Thread
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Sad to see you go uberfish.
Jkaen Wrote:Well after last night I still find Commodore and Rowain suspicious, and find Tansuke less suspicious than previous as I assume he was placed up there to try and save the white wolf. You believe that Tasunke was set up to save MNG ? Good Tasunke was set up by Gaspar, zakalwe and Serdoa was also there. Now look at the rowain votes: Set up by Serdoa pushed by zakalwe and Gaspar. You believe that Tasunke wsa set up by those people to save MNG but when they vote for me then I'm a wolf? 
Rowain,
Thanks for the smiley. But lets assume that you have identified the entire white wolf pack on day 1 and its MNG, Zak and Gaspar. Why on earth does that mean you are not a black wolf?Also its been said before but just because somebody votes for you it doesnt mean they are a wolf
Just want to point out that "black wolves" may not even exist. We only had one kill last night. Either we have two packs and they both chose the same target (or one was blocked, or one attacked a protect person), or we only have one pack and NH is just messing with us.
I too think that 2 wolf packs is a possibility, but lets not start considering these assumptions realities yet.
“The wind went mute and the trees in the forest stood still. It was time for the last tale.”
Jkaen Wrote:Rowain,I have neither called all of them wolf nor claimed to have the full pack identified. I'm just pointing out the illogicality of you defending Tasunke because of the BW against him and calling me wolf when the same people pushed the BW against me. Lewwyn Wrote:Just want to point out that "black wolves" may not even exist. We only had one kill last night. Either we have two packs and they both chose the same target (or one was blocked, or one attacked a protect person), or we only have one pack and NH is just messing with us. If there are 2 packs they would only be allowed to alternat their kills (rule 8 Only one werewolf kill attempt will be made per night. )
First of all, what's the point of going against Rowain now, when there is no proof of a second pack? He was one of the main MNG lynchers...
 MNG seemed quite desperate to pile votes against Bigger and Tasunke. I see it likely that they do not belong to the white wolf pack. The "Why do you prefer Ichabod?" quote is quite interesting though. Also when the votes where: Catwalk (4) - Commodore, Jkaen, Meiz, Bigger Mr. Nice Guy (4) - Injera, uberfish, Rowain, Zakalwe Serdoa (3) - Mardoc, Ichabod, novice Bigger changes his vote away from Catwalk, putting MNG in lead. Catwalk could be a wolf as well, though, but for now I doubt Bigger would be in team with MNG. http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...post240110 When MNG tries to get something going against uberfish, Catwalk immediately jumps to defend uber. Would have kept quiet, if playing on MNG's side? http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...post240118 (Although Catwalk defends MNG in his next post) MNG starts his push against Bigger. Injera, Sareln and pindicator don't want to follow him. Again, would have kept quiet, if MNG's team mates? http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...post240220 http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...post240235 http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...post240238 Injera is really dragging MNG down, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...post240302 Votes at this point where: Mr. Nice Guy (4) - Injera, Lewwyn, Rowain, uberfish Tasunke (3) - Gaspar, Mr. Nice Guy, zakalwe Catwalk (2) - Commodore, Meiz Now MNG starts his push against Tasunke. And Sareln drops by to defend Tasunke, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...post240326 Sareln also later pushes MNG back towards the top, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...post240567 Votes where: Rowain (5) - Serdoa, zakalwe, Gaspar, Catwalk, novice Commodore (4) - Jkaen, Lewwyn, uberfish, pling Mr. Nice Guy (3) - Injera, Rowain, Pindicator Pindicator (3) - Ichabod, Meiz, Mardoc The point of this message was that I doubt the following persons belong to the white wolf pack: Rowain, Bigger, Sareln, Injera, Tasunke. Lewwyn was also going against MNG quite hard. And there is no evidence that black wolf pack exists.
Official Vote Count - Day 2
~40 hours 44 minutes to the deadline Commodore (3) - Bigger, Injera, Lewwyn Rowain (1) - Jkaen pling (1) - Mardoc Ichabod (1) - pindicator
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Bigger Wrote:Because there wasn't enough traction, obviously. I'm not sure if you could have gotten Tasunke lynched before his reveal, but there's no way you could have gotten him lynched after his reveal.I switched off Tasunke before his reveal. There was no reason to suspect he wasn't vanilla. Your whole post that I'm quoting from here argues with the benefit of hindsight, attributing to me some supernatural foresight. (Not the first time that has happened, as an aside.) Bigger Wrote:I was convinced of MNG before I prodded you - but I wasn't sure yet what to think of Rowain's accusations of your link to MNG. I wanted a clarification or further analysis of your accusation of Rowain (which I didn't get - and still see no reason to think Rowain is scum over any random player), and your reason for suspecting MNG (which I wasn't satisfied with either).Yesterday, my case against Rowain wasn't very strong, because it was based on a gut read of his reaction. Ultimately, that's why I decided to give him a break, combined with the fact that I suddenly felt uncomfortable with company I was keeping, and Uberfish (who clearly was innocent, even at the time) wanted to lynch MNG. Today, I think I can make a much stronger case for why Rowain is scum. He thinks both that 1) there is just one wolf pack, with 5 wolves, and 2) I decided to bus MNG when he was tied 5-5 and could still vote to save himself. That makes no sense; if the wolves had that kind of voting power, MNG would not have been lynched. This inconsistent world view suggests he is a wolf. Rowain @Meiz. I still think a 3-3-15 setup seems very likely. But I guess you're right that Rowain probably isn't on MNG's team.
If you know what I mean.
Rowain Wrote:If there are 2 packs they would only be allowed to alternat their kills (rule 8 Only one werewolf kill attempt will be made per night. ) Missed that... Still, I think that makes 2 packs less viable.
“The wind went mute and the trees in the forest stood still. It was time for the last tale.”
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