WW20: Legend of the Undercity

[Ichabod]

What is your relationship with Jkaen and why is he (your master ) voting for you?

I have no relation with Jkaen. I don't know why he came up with that. The only thing I can think of is to confuse the scum. I didn't want to reveal that and reveal his trick, but I think that's very good evidence that Jkaen is a goodie.

[Meiz]

I really don't like this post from Molach, http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid337010

If he has a valid suspicion, he should just state the posts and elaborate later. He's also been really non committal for the whole day. It seems too handy that the whatever-evidence found is for the third runner for the lynch.

[Ichabod]

And I don't know why he's voting for me. everytime the guy wakes up he has a different personality. This one seems not to be so good on the perception side.

Seriously speaking, he's probably voting for me because any sort on unconventional play gets immediatly ganged up upon in our current WW metagame. In this thought, I add that part of this is because unconventional play is a very nice place for scum to hide in making seemingly reasoned votes for innocent people.

See, I know what I'm doing and I know what I'm talking about. I just don't want to speak it loudly all the time...

Clickety, clackety, clack

[GaiusMarius]

Well, I'm back Gazglum, so I can address your attacks on me now. The thing is, I'm not really sure why I seem so suspicious to you, while no other flug voter does.

I understand that one of your main arguments was that I pressed flug for "information" rather than his "thoughts," but I think that's pure semantics. Any thoughts that he has regarding why he voted the way that he did is information for us to consider: both as to the alignment of those in question, as well as to the behavior of flug himself. Is it concrete? No, but it's likely as good as you're going to get in this game, especially round 1. People sharing the reasoning behind their votes potentially helps the town determine who is scum.

You excuse the novice vote because novice was trying to help him, but I don't believe novice did so significantly more than me. Neither novice nor I especially want to lynch an overwhelmed newbie day 1, and we were prodding flug to provide some justification for his votes. Even if it was poor reasoning, I'd be much more willing to forgive that than his complete disappearance act so far.

Long story short, I'm not sure what your argument against me specifically is. It seems to be very nitpicky/semanticky which I don't believe makes a good case.

[Molach]

Well I did tell flug that I wouldn't quote anything further from the thread without consent hour and half ago, I assumed he would start posting in main thread.

I suppose I'm not quoting if I say he posted there 4 times in total, same as me.
However I also want to see him post here, some questions which have been pointed out still remain and are not answered.

Not voting today is both because I think it can wait and that I find his actions incompatible with wolf play - no posts in thread at all, yet post in neighbour thread? If he IS a wolf and has decided to clam up, why put any info in neighbour thread, because I will surely print it all after a wolf flip.

[Serdoa]

Seriously Ichabod? That just seems like a rag tag collection of notes.

"Ooh, Bigger is carzy!" Well duh everyone knows that, I don't like Bigger too much either, but at least he offers up more reasoning and defense than you do.

"I'm a good wolf when I'm a wolf!" So, because you look scummy, you're not scummy, and if you were scummy you wouldn't look scummy at all? Besides, in 1 and 4 there, you were never pressured, and in 3 you were killed too early to make a difference. So maybe this is a scum freakout over getting voted on for once?

"Lew and Zak and Gas aren't voting for me, so I must be good!" If I had a dollar for every time at least Gaspar and Lewwyn said "Gah I was wrong again I suck at scum hunting" I would buy the rope to hang you myself.

Thanks for reaffirming my suspicion of you, it makes me feel better about my vote.

And I think thats really all there is to say about that post from Ichabod.

yeah, I didn't have any good insights this time. And I won't fabricate a 20 lines case just so you think I'm scum-hunting. The people I'm having a look at are very silent and I don't want to scare them away yet. I need time.

Fabricating 20-line-cases is not necessary. Never was. Heck, you are not even under fire for not scum-hunting.

Unfortunately, the wall of text rain that fell on my head gave a very good hiding place for the scum.

You can state that a third time if you want, but actually there was not a wall of text, let alone several, written against you. My post was pretty short imo, if you take away the quotes. And Rowain didn't post a book either. Nor did BRick or Bigger. Maybe you should read those posts instead of dismissing them as walls of text?

[Gaspar]

Brick - there are some players I'm very good at telling their alignment. The rest, crapshoot for me. Ichabod is definitely one of them. I'm not getting a read on him right now oddly because he's been under so much pressure. But I'd lean innocent.

If all Bricks voters came to Bigger, we'd have a much better lynch candidate, I think than either of the two on the block. I'm still committed to voting flug to break an Ichabod tie if flug doesn't show to defend himself, however.

[Rowain]

I have no relation with Jkaen. I don't know why he came up with that. The only thing I can think of is to confuse the scum. I didn't want to reveal that and reveal his trick, but I think that's very good evidence that Jkaen is a goodie.

Since when is lying to the village a goodie-tell. Following Belial is walking the path of doom and damnation.

[zakalwe]

What was it you spotted about Brick, Molach?

[Meiz]

I agree it makes little sense to post in the neighbor thread and not in the main thread, as a wolf. And I think Molach is probably a wolf, 2 neighbor wolves doesn't add up.

So Ichabod, unless people want to vote Molach.