Micromanagement Sims/Planning

[luddite]

Can we wait and see if their capital grows? We could plan to whip if it grows soon, and otherwise stick to the current plan if whipping it hurts us too much.

[NobleHelium]

They can get 15 hpt without growing to 6, with one GHF and two PHFs (remember that their capital is 2h). If we were to deviate we would probably need to do that as soon as possible rather than waiting to see. I don't have a strong opinion at the moment but my sense is that deviating would take the Oracle build from quite low risk to quite high risk, so I'm not sure I'm in favor of that.

[regoarrarr]

I am definitely in favor of getting some sims out that tell us what we would need to do to get an eot67 Oracle build.

I do think that we have in our favor that they don't have BW

[regoarrarr]

I took a brief look at things from the sandbox posted up above.

Also looking at Seven's micro plan, which was hard to find because it was like 10 pages up-thread

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?...OVHc#gid=0

I didn't have time just yet to run through a full sim, but one possibility might be to single whip the worker T60 (which may in fact be THIS turn or even too late - I'm not fully up on this game ). We still grow back to size 4 in a few turns (without any angry faces)

So we're talking ~30h from that whip, plus ~28h from the later double worker whip, plus 60h from the 3 chops, and about 30h from natural production = 150h.

So I think it can be done

[Sullla]

Yeah, getting the workers to finish 3 chops a turn earlier is not too terribly difficult either. The price is just wasting a couple of worker turns here and there, instead of the perfect micro that Seven set up. For example:

* Worker C moves straight into a forest instead of putting a turn into a road on T64.

* Worker A does a straight chop instead of a cottage-chop (finishes T64), then helps Worker F with its chop to finish on T67 instead of T68.

This is fairly simple to do. Of course, there's also the chance that we could push up our Oracle date by a turn and still lose the race anyway. (Although we could have all chops and Mansa's whip take place on T67, so at least we would have a coin flip chance to get the wonder, and could not chop / not whip if it was already gone.)

Good news: we can move up our Oracle date by one turn without too much loss. The bigger question then becomes, should we do this? That we still have to determine.

[NobleHelium]

We can't whip MM on the same turn as the chops come in, because the chops need to go in before we can whip. Unless you mean whipping a worker, in which case it would be the turn before.

[luddite]

Good news: we can move up our Oracle date by one turn without too much loss. The bigger question then becomes, should we do this? That we still have to determine.

It sounds like there's a significant chance that they might tie us on the Oracle. So I say yes, speed it up by one turn if it doesn't cost too much. What's the point of taking a risk here?

[mostly_harmless]

Speed it up by one turn.

mh

[Fintourist]

The idea of losing the math hammers truly hurts But I guess "expensive" oracle is better than no oracle.. When do we have to decide this?

[kjn]

The latest T59 sandbox seems to be missing 1F from the corn 1NW of AO. It's easily fixed in the WorldBuilder by removing the farm and corn, and then adding them again.