Intersite Game - Turn Discussion Thread

[Lewwyn]

About playing this particular turn: the Livestream was a complete and utter trainwreck tonight.

I disagree wholeheartedly. This is your perception because you got angry when people made suggestions you didn't agree with. People in the stream ask things because they are not in the game. They are not asking because they want you to be a dancing monkey. Even Seven's use of your words was simply to try and show you why moving the chariot would actually be good. Seven does not have ill will, instead he's so academic that he often doesn't recognize how something might offend someone else. He's being pointed but he's not criticizing you. They suggest things because you do not see things the same others do. Where are our true priorities? This is not easy. Its not supposed to be easy. A game like this while fun, will not always be fun. In fact its more likely not to be fun than fun.

Additionally the stream was different than past streams because movement in game caused new developments which prompted new actions. When we moved south of the rice we saw the LB and the Q in the city. Before that point I would have been fine leaving the medic to heal the knight. When we saw the new scenario, it opened a new possibility to act.

People are not "trolling" you. They are not "nitpicking" beyond an acceptable level. Have you ever played a game in a team with NobleHelium? No. You would run for the hills. Right now he's being extremely toned down IMO. You are not seeing even remotely the level of nitpicking that could be done and has been done in past games. This is not personal, but you seem to be taking it personally.

[Ichabod]

If I'm allowed to try and lighten up the mood a bit (haven't watched the livestream, by the way, and twitchtv seems to be down at the moment), think about that poor Buddhist missionary from CivPlayers, which will convert a city only to see it razed on the following turn or two.




Well, now that I think of it, maybe CivPlayers is actually planning to do some missionary shananigans in our soon-to-be-freed-of-german-tiranny cities. So, my joke is not that funny anymore. Where do you guys think that missionary is going? Hopefully not to the German capital (the only city that will be a real pain in the heart to raze). We should probably debate about razing whatever city they convert (Buddhism is the Ap religion, right?).

And on the same line of thought, who is the founder of Christianism (my guess is Civplayers too)? We got a christian city on the former german cities. Hopefully that won't be a problem regarding future AP or espionage uses against us.

I tried to make a funny post and I end up getting myself all scared.

[NobleHelium]

The AP is tied to one religion for the entire game, it wouldn't matter even if they converted to Confu. It would matter for Espionage, yeah.

[Ichabod]

The AP is tied to one religion for the entire game, it wouldn't matter even if they converted to Confu.

I said Christianism, not Confucianism, Noble. Hah, take that nitpick!

Good to know. I was under the impression (from my SP games, never played a MP game with the Ap unbanned) that it could be changed, if the owner of the AP changed religion. Of course, now that I think of it, it makes sense...

[NobleHelium]

Okay fine, but Christianism isn't a word. /PEDANTRY

[mostly_harmless]

Well in my opinion following this game becomes immensely more relaxed if one realizes one fact:
Its not a democracy game, despite what is written on the box.

After the early phase of the game it has pretty much turned into an After Action Report type of game with the valuable input of a select few.
We are not really all ON the same team. We are all cheering for the same team, yes.
We don't have a history of running real democracy games at RB anyway.
Installing the livestream has a tool for quick team decision making is not going to work. Team decision making is pretty much dead as far as turn playing goes even in the forums for mayn months (Diplo aside). The livestream is highly entertaining though, so I would ask Sullla to please continue streaming. Get Speaker on TeamSpeak and then go for it, ignore the chat if you must. Or just record the turn and upload it afterwards. Team member input has not been equally valued in the forums up to now, why would we try to change that in the cramped and more personal environment of a livestream chat.
Everyone here wants us to win. Sullla is a competent enough player and pulls in the occasional advise from people like Speaker. Scooter handles the diplomacy patiently and patently. KJN's work on the C&D front is purely fantastic and in my opinion the biggest single cornerstone of our success. The micro wizards did a nice job as well, especially in the early days when it matters more.
So, as far as performance goes, I think we have a good set of RB players on the field.
For everyone else, accepting the position as a lurker on the ranks is the best way to enjoy the game. You might have thought that decision making undergoes some sort of democratic process here, but that is wrong. Several attempts to clarify or change that in the past have not been met with success.
So sit back, relax and enjoy the show.

I would just ask, that next time we sign up as RB for such a game, might it be CIV or whatnot, we clearly label the box, so people know what they are getting into.

mh

[Ichabod]

Okay fine, but Christianism isn't a word. /PEDANTRY

You see? There's no winning against NobleHelium. The best we can do is counter him by making Gaspar be more active in this game.

Ok, I'll stop spamming now.

[NobleHelium]

Okay fine, but Christianism isn't a word. /PEDANTRY

You see? There's no winning against NobleHelium. The best we can do is counter him by making Gaspar be more active in this game.

Ok, I'll stop spamming now.

Well actually if you had written Christianity I wouldn't have misread the word, is my main point. Confucianism looks a lot closer than Christianity to Christianism.

[Tyrmith]

It's 100% irrelevant if you mean something nicely or politely it only matters how it's received. It's true in our diplo messages, and it's true for team interaction. We need to give each other the benefit of the doubt and try to remember how everyone else will see our message...

Sullla if your getting frustrated with streaming then just take a turn or however many just streaming and not being interactive in the chat. Just seeing the turn done live is very helpful to getting a better grasp of the state of the game IMO and is far different from what can be accomplished with any amount of screenshots I think.

[antisocialmunky]

Lets just drop the discussion of the nitpickiness for now. Its getting exasperating to read.