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Brick by Brick (Spoiler Alert!)

(September 19th, 2013, 10:48)TheHumanHydra Wrote: Not sure if that was serious, but it has been, and I'm not. smile Thank you for your concern, though.

Don't worry, it was serious. And don't worry about coming off as overly depressed in your own lurker thread or completely stressing out over a game or feeling that anything you do will result in losing - been there, done that... in a couple of days, it'll just be a funny memory.
(March 12th, 2024, 07:40)naufragar Wrote:"But naufragar, I want to be an emperor, not a product manager." Soon, my bloodthirsty friend, soon.

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Some random comments.
- I've been catching up on this thread occasionally.
- Offensive wars in civ are rarely the path to victory, so don't fret about how to win them.
- I only have a bandwidth cap on my phone. More to the point, because of spotty coverage I've had a habit of loading up a thread for later consumption in multiple tabs of my phone browser. (Or I would do this when I was in a wifi zone. 50 posts (or 200 now) per page. Great for Mafia play, terrible for screenshot-heavy reads with big (in file size) images.
- That sounds like a fun and terribly unbalanced game of mafia/vampires.
- No reason to be ashamed about your play, not your fault circumstances suddenly fitted you with oversized shoes.
- Your reporting is uniquely thorough and entertaining. Your rants too. smile
I have to run.
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Oh I see you asked lurkers to declare a winner. Well, declaring an official game result is pretty pointless anyway, as readers will just make up their own mind about who "won" regardless. I mean, sometimes players can even reach an in-game victory condition without being acknowledged as winners. So just end the game when you're ready to, I'm sure everybody will walk away happily with memories of a fun game (well, maybe not Serdoa).
I have to run.
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Novice, I just wanted to say thank-you for the comments; I sincerely appreciated them.

As I said in the tech-thread, I welcome questions and comments here or there. No screenshots for the last turn; there wasn't much to take a screenshot of, at least that you won't see in Old Harry's thread. I killed the rifleman that razed Aquanauts using the infantry that should have guarded it in the only combat of my turn. As I said in the tech thread, I didn't play out the whole turn, just my pre-planned military moves and drafts/whips; no micro (I did end it, don't worry). Thanks again for reading. Talk to you later,

THH
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Finished reading the other threads; they've confirmed a few things for me:

1. Serdoa should have sent his army north against me instead of deeper into Old Harry's lands after taking Exeter.

2. I should have attacked Azza, not Serdoa, and kept cities.

3. Azza should have attacked me while I was attacking Serdoa.

4. I way under-expanded (duh).

5. I was way outclassed as an economy-player; I was right when I said Old Harry would win unless I could kill him now.

6. Old Harry did not know about my secondary attack forces.

A few things surprised me:

1. Old Harry thought I would take Barnet in our first war. I stand by my appraisal.

2. Old Harry thought he couldn't destroy the rest of my stack the turn he took peace. I'm less sure of my appraisal here.

3. Old Harry thought he'd have trouble dealing with my stack in this war. I stand by my appraisal, which was echoed (or anticipated) by Commodore's comments in Old Harry's thread.

4. Old Harry bulbed Astro a couple turns ago. I did not consider him doing that and should have checked the techs screen more carefully each turn. I don't know whether I would have thought of him potentially having a galleon in that sea already. Ironically, when I took Forest Green, one of the positives I noted mentally was that he would not be able to put boats on that sea in future. I've already noted other ironies.

Ultimately, what this game has reaffirmed for me is that you cannot win at Civ IV unless you are of yourself the best player in the matchup. I mean, it's so obvious, but you can't win, peacefully or aggressively, unless you have the best economy, and the only way you can have the best economy is if you innately are able to micro and macro better than everyone else. Big-picture, what I tried to do in this game was make up for my inferior Civ-skill by pushing everyone else down the (economic) ladder, instead of relying on skills I didn't have to climb up the ladder faster. It worked for a while, but in the end there are too many opponents and they are afforded too much time and one of them catches up - and then there's nothing you can do to force them back down again. Now, sometimes it is true irrational, emotional choices on the part of one or more of the players may afford an inferior player an opportunity - as it did for me, though I squandered it. But assuming everyone plays rationally, there's literally no way to change the outcome of a game with players whose relative skill levels are already established, short of randomizing the terrain so it favours them differently. There is no way to win at Civ except to be better, and you cannot be other than you are. So why play?

I mean, I know I'm overstating this, I'm just trying to express my sense of frustration (not anger, this post is being written with a cool head) at my inability to do anything to alter the course of the game once Old Harry had caught up to me (and the opportunities I shouldn't even have been granted had passed): I couldn't attack, because the defence is stronger, and I couldn't develop peacefully, because he was better at it, and I couldn't change that by, say, outside practice within the time-span of the game. I was faced with an Immovable Object with no Irresistible Force to throw at it. There is no strategy to this game other than Be Better, because if you can Be Better, you can defend it, due to the mechanics of the game. There is no way to deal with a player who is Better than you. I can only conclude that if I want to win a game, I either have to gamble 12 months on someone, probably multiple persons, doing something Really Weird, as for some reason happened repeatedly this game, and that I'll have the foresight to take advantage of it, or only choose to play against players who are demonstrably inferior, which isn't fair. Everything else is just figuring out where players stand in relation to each other, or artificial handicaps imposed by random terrain to shake up what would otherwise be predetermined matchups. (I suppose players of differing levels of inferiority starting next to stronger players so it takes them differing amounts of time to absorb them and snowball ahead also shakes up the matchups, and is probably just about the only reason these games stay fresh - simply because we haven't run through all the possible permutations yet.) Anyway, enough of this philosophy. It was an enlightening experience, but one that, once enlightened, I don't feel inclined to repeat. Well, okay, I do a little bit, if only to correct my mistakes, but not enough to risk my sanity again wink.

Man, I cannot keep myself from writing these long, depressing posts. I need to just go back to reading ...
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(September 24th, 2013, 21:07)TheHumanHydra Wrote: There is no way to win at Civ except to be better, and you cannot be other than you are. So why play?

It's fun? That feeling you get when you look at your sand castles and realize that you yourself built them?
(March 12th, 2024, 07:40)naufragar Wrote:"But naufragar, I want to be an emperor, not a product manager." Soon, my bloodthirsty friend, soon.

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The feeling you get when other people kick them down ...

I did most of that this game. I can't imagine it was fun for the other players. I would have been heartbroken if Aquanauts had burned two turns ago - thankfully I'd checked out by now. I used to turn on No City Razing in my single-player games for this reason. I don't know, guys ... noidea frown
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I would argue that what's fun about civ 4 is finding out who is better

And yes, I do think that it changes from game to game

Sorry that you're feeling so down. I had a similar feeling when things went bad for me in pb11. I found that removing myself from the situation and gaining some perspective helped a lot.
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Micro is not everything and nobody plays at the same level of skill every game. You definitely could have decisively won this game with better decision making, largely along the lines that you listed. That isn't related to micro. Not to mention that there isn't an inherent barrier against improving your micro, and there are plenty of RBers around your skill level anyway.
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