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[Spoilers PB23] Old Harry's attempt at civilizing AdrienIer

CH doesn't need to play before or after you for X turns if his plan is to be second in turn order - he may have no problem with you double-moving him on the turn he attacks and you can't really complain that he let you double move him if he does...

I think it'd be a pretty good move on his part to attack you if you can't get peace with Ipecac frown. How long ago did he get peace with Agent?
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A long time ago. I think their peace treaty is over now. Yeah he needs to take out someone, Agent is lowest on military I think (besides Grimace) but I have my troops on the other side. But if Vikings don't take peace I'm probably tastiest.
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Their peace treaty is indeed over. I'm 4th in military in front of Grimace (dying) Agent and Whosit (losing badly to Elum).
More importantly I'm now at peace. I spotted a knight in Vikings land so I'm not sure how happy I should be feeling. I may have overreacted to CH because what I can see this turn is this :




Which is hidden to Agent but visible to me.

The GA is on ! Here's the demos. Nice !




I revolted into caste after whipping a granary and a longbow. I'll need it in a few turns and my current army is strong enough if CH doesn't have more units. Risky I know.

Here's the tech plan, with engineering as n°2 and drama as 4.




I'm building research in Lobambus this turn to 1t CS (for the irrigation and flexibility to build maces). Next it's back to military which should be 1 unit per turn during the GA getting overflow from catas then 1 turning a knight, after the GA it'll be building knights every 2t. I hope to be around philo by the end of the GA, that would be nice.
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Nice GA demos. It might have been better to wait a turn for the civic revolt, so that you could switch into Bureaucracy too...
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You've got ten turns to make some more gains vs Agent while CH draws his main forces...

I'd suggest generating a Great Scientist to bulb Philosophy, but actually with the MoM you could be better off getting your next golden age asap instead.
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I'd rather stay in vasssalage for the double promo with my meh capital, I used your PB22 formula recently to find that it wasn't a big deal.

I need 3 GP now, I'll have to wait for the parthenon before starting thinking about it.
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Vikings built the AP, I'm going to build some Buddhist temples for the hammers.
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AGENT WHY ARE YOU TEMPTING ME ?

Seriously a possibility to fork his cities and kill 2 swords in the process ? I think I'm going to take it.
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Also you need to kill those Swords before they hit Red Blood Beach nod. popcorn

Do you keep both cities? What's Agent's power like and where is it based?
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What's funny is that they can't even kill the units inside RBB because a city garison 2 crossbow is there. But yeah I really think I should attack.

Pro :
- 2 swords down
- Johns/Agent is behind me in power
- potentially 2 cities captured
- potentially CH can make this a 2vs1 where we eat Johns together

Neither Pro nor Con :
- I have no idea where his troops are, potentially there could be a huge stack near Badman's River, but they could also be on his huge border with CH.

Cons :
- My 1 mover stack is still in the west so pikes can hurt me/if he's got 3 pikes in B's R this attack isn't going anywhere.
- Badman's river just got 3rd ring culture, meaning I'm going to scrawl to B's R with my 1-movers (if I can't force my way through with knights)
- Ipecac made a swift move against Elum 2t ago, declared war, took two cities, got peace. He's very high in power and I'm his only other target if he wants to use his troops for anything. I may have just settled a very annoying city right in his face mischief
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