[SPOILERS] Lurkerloos and map discussion

[Gavagai]

The forested tile 1w of the praet can see the staging tile.

Ah, yes, didn't notice that.

[Ceiliazul]

All tiles within your culture provide visibility as if a unit was standing on them. So Lewger can see that tile all the time.

[Gavagai]

I know that, I just didn't notice that LewBig has a landtile in range to get two-tiles vision into water. Actually, it is clearly visible on a screenshot that this tile is defogged but it looks like I preferred not to believe my lying eyes

[Gavagai]

What you guys think about Zulu team building the Great Wall? I understand that it is really cheap with stone and GSpy points are nice but Zulu are really starving for hammers and a city in which they are building this thing lacks LIGHTHOUSE having 3 seafood tiles and three lake tiles in BFC. I think, lighthouse ASAP would be more useful and actually cheaper than Great Wall there. So, is there any way to justify their decision?

[Qgqqqqq]

Wether or not its "justifiable" (a thing that is definitely subjective) I can definitely see their reasoning for it - the great wall won't last forever and that site has a) enough good tiles for lighthousable coast/lakes to not be necessary to work and b) the city has plenty of food.
I think its something id do in the circumstances.

[Boldly Going Nowhere]

What you guys think about Zulu team building the Great Wall? I understand that it is really cheap with stone and GSpy points are nice but Zulu are really starving for hammers and a city in which they are building this thing lacks LIGHTHOUSE having 3 seafood tiles and three lake tiles in BFC. I think, lighthouse ASAP would be more useful and actually cheaper than Great Wall there. So, is there any way to justify their decision?

I think Zulu are going to be disappointed...again.

Com:


Zulu:


This on the turn Zulu find out they didn't get the low odds GE for the GL, and oh yeah, Com built GL this turn anyway.

[Krill]

I don't think they'll care that much when they get the fail gold though.

[novice]

I don't think they'll care that much when they get the fail gold though.

Yeah, seems like an ideal outcome, getting maximum failgold.

[Ceiliazul]

So to wait nets us a potential free swap, but otherwise, 70% odds on us losing 7 turns of Big B benefits. I'll think a bit more.

If Comm's capital is more than 1/7 of his total economy, it's worth a turn regardless. From this turns screenshots, the cap is generating around 1/3 of his beakers. Hammers less clear, but I think the choice is easy.

Edit: well wait. .33 of total empire * .5 commerce boost * 7t = 1.1 turns worth of beakers... and subtracting for existing research multipliers... blargh. So I'm wrong, it's not easy.

[Kofiman]

Does he lose a turn on the GW from the flip, or does Bueracracy give it back?