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(August 7th, 2017, 12:55)Dreylin Wrote: FWIW, here's where I get his popularity: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/tru...id=rrpromo

(Of course that's no guarantee of how someone will actually vote...]

Indeed people could not aprove that the other candidate to be far worse from theyr point of view.Or maybe the one which aprove will vote and the other not. Iwatch american politics very closely becasue i realy think at some point USA  will have to bail out Europe again(yeah from the migrants which people are laughigh at and keep a blind eye or maybe 2)

(August 7th, 2017, 12:38)mackoti Wrote:
(August 7th, 2017, 10:31)scooter Wrote: I haven't been following. What's he done to make him so unpopular so quickly? That's down to Trump levels of popularity.

Scooter from were you take Trump popularity?from same polls which said he will lose with a landslide (or whichever is the expression) ? or you have more credible sources. I can make a bet that Trump will winn 2020 again as i said will win now,because the people which realy count are nevr asked.

"Won the election" and "is popular" are not the same thing. Whoever won that election was going to have a poor approval rating. He's also measurably lower than he was on the day he was elected. And seriously, the polls were fine. They had Trump down around 2.5%, and he lost the popular vote by about 2%. Margin of error.

To answer the actual question - I was quoting the exact link Dreylin posted.

(August 7th, 2017, 10:31)scooter Wrote: I haven't been following. What's he done to make him so unpopular so quickly? That's down to Trump levels of popularity.

A quick google finds a lot of disagreement on this question lol.  So either English-speaking sources don't know, or more likely everyone is saying 'because he doesn't agree with me, and I'm Obviously Right.'

I see a couple categories of complaints about him.  One set says that he's done a lot of things that seem arrogant and self-serving, like trying to get his wife declared First Lady of France (a position that previously didn't exist) or giving a speech from Versailles.  I don't know how many of these sorts of things are unique to him, though, and maybe the complaining articles are a symptom of the popularity deficit rather than a cause.  Maybe speaking from Versailles would be a non-story if people liked him in the first place, they'd look at it as respect for French heritage instead of behaving like Louis XIV.

Another category is that he's apparently been cutting benefits, pushing to reform French labor law, cutting the military budget, and so on.  People always object to a reduction in government spending, even if it's necessary.

My personal theory is that it's a symptom of the fragmentation of French politics, more than anything about him specifically.  Looking at Wikipedia, he had only 24% of the vote in the first round.  It's true that 66% of voters agreed he was better than Le Pen, but I can easily imagine both disapproving of him and thinking Le Pen would have been worse.  
Basically, take your comment about Trump and apply it here too:
scooter Wrote:Whoever won that election was going to have a poor approval rating.
Start with all the Le Pen voters disapproving of him, then add in a bunch of the people who voted him as the lesser evil, not because they agreed with his platform.  Just because he's not moving in the Le Pen direction doesn't mean he's going toward what you want.  Then you can add in everyone from his supporters who thinks he's not moving fast enough.  It's plausible anyway.

That theory would imply that anyone would have a low approval rating, and will have, until French voters start agreeing with each other on what should be done.

But of course bear in mind this is an American low-interest perspective.  I'm sure someone like AdrienIer has a better idea.
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He started off at around 65% popularity which was really startling. He was bound to go downwards as the people who wanted to give him a chance because he was "new" realized that he wasn't particularly new or good. His government has made some stupid choices (and he's made some himself), and his left wing supporters are finally realizing that he's not going to do anything left wing.

I agree that no one is going to have a splendid popularity in the current political environment. The situation is complex and basically everyone has a different opinion on how to solve things

Former member of the Monetary Policy Committee of the Bank of England, Adam Poser, on the damage of Brexit to the British Economy:

https://piie.com/newsroom/short-videos/p...sh-economy

After listening to the twelve minute clip, I am convinced that the British people should in fact, not vote for Brexit.

Oh wait...

Ah, but he's an "Expert". We don't like "Experts" anymore, remember? Plus of course all the "Experts" spent the run-up to the vote confidently predicting massive, immediate, economic consequences of a vote for Brexit; that didn't come so there's another hit to their credibility....

(August 11th, 2017, 04:43)Ilios Wrote: Former member of the Monetary Policy Committee of the Bank of England, Adam Poser, on the damage of Brexit to the British Economy:

https://piie.com/newsroom/short-videos/p...sh-economy

After listening to the twelve minute clip, I am convinced that the British people should in fact, not vote for Brexit.

Oh wait...

Thanks for the video; it was interesting.

My opinion doesn't shape the world, but ... I do regret that the European trade sphere is also a political sphere. There always was another way ...

Border Wall!

(If DEMs were smart they would just fold to get a free ride to 2024 were demographics should just give them the win. The cost of the wall is only 1/12th of the cost of the increased borrowing costs the US government would face and a good chunk of it already exits. They could stop using the budget as artificial leverage again by removing the debt ceiling and without that easy leverage Trump cannot win. That won't happen through because everyone wants to win now. I suspect it's because leadership is given out by seniority so you have a very limited amount of time. I'm actually excited to see if Trump has what it takes.)

As suspected the DEMs said they won't fold. lol

Some NJ DEM Senator could get pwned but that wouldn't be enough because the GOP came close on healthcare only because of the extremely coercive effect of failing a promise of seven years. The thing that makes it amusing to me is that he has an Uber lawyer and the jury is hostile to the GOP. If he cannot win he's obviously guilty and anyone who doesn't vote for expulsion would be a dirty liar.

Edit: Not worth own post but the DEMs would say: "We need to wait for the appeal!!!!!" but that logic doesn't make sense when there's no chance.

No one who isn't a gibbering racist actually wants to burn another pile of money for a stupid wall. So why the fuck wouldn't the democrats fight the construction of a giant monument to xenophobia tooth and nail? Do you think conceding to the stupid wall would allow them to reach out to the moderate racist voters? Do you think the republicans shutting down the government to force a concession to a bad policy would reflect badly on the democrats?



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