RB Pitboss #2 [SPOILERS] - Peter of Byzantium

[regoarrarr]

If the Ottomans keep having units on the hills next to Athens, they WILL see the galley after the 1st move (except if you go east, but they will see it from their border the following turn I guess)

This may be spoiler information, so please be careful if it is. Obviously you don't need to confirm or deny if you feel you shouldn't.

Unfortunately, as Sirian has said, it's impossible to "un-learn" spoiler info. Though maybe this isn't spoiler info and we'll just all end up barking down the wrong tree

But it appears that the possibility exists that there may be an Ottoman city on the coast.

Here is the east as we know it


The logical places for a city would be 1E or 2E of the rice, on the river. But we have not seen their culture, and you would think that we would. It's possible that it was 2E and their borders have not expanded, which would require that it have been founded in the past 5 turns.

I checked CivStats and I could go back to T63 (it is now T68), and I saw no mid-turn pop increases. However, the Ottomans were logged in and last to end turn for T62-63 and T63-64, both of which saw them get 3 point score increases (pop). So it's possible that they just founded within the minute when the turn rolled, either intentionally to mask CivStats info, or just because they were logged in.

So, if that's the case, then we should see their borders touch ours to the east next turn (T69).

Also no score or power increases from them this turn. It looks like T58 was the last time they got a tech (in my earlier analysis I said tech on T64, but that was wrong - it was pop on both T63 and T64). So they should be getting a tech here before too long. I would tend to think IW would be a pretty high priority for them.

[regoarrarr]

Anyway to answer the original question, it does seem that moving 2NE with the galley would keep it out of the range of folks on the hill they're on, as well as any city 2E of the rice.

But you are right that anywhere but there they would see.

Sunrise - is there a way you can auto load troops on to an unbuilt galley? If not, then we can't really rally point and ctrl-a at the turn flip unless we dont' want to put any of our units on it.

[darrelljs]

Sunrise - is there a way you can auto load troops on to an unbuilt galley?

I'm pretty sure there is not.

Darrell

[regoarrarr]

I'm pretty sure there is not.

Darrell

Yeah it would seem kind of odd if there was. I know in previous versions (Civ 2 or 3?) a ship would pick up any one that was in "sentry" in a city (which could cause all kinds of ), but I don't think it does that anymore.

[McClure]

Obviously I'm being dense, but why are you concerned about hiding the Galley from the Ottomans? They'll always know how many military units you have in Athens so you can't make them think the Galley build was really a Spear/Axe. If they know you will found a city on an unreachable land mass it can only make them want to call off the war anyway since they can't eliminate you.

What am I missing here?

[regoarrarr]

Obviously I'm being dense, but why are you concerned about hiding the Galley from the Ottomans? They'll always know how many military units you have in Athens so you can't make them think the Galley build was really a Spear/Axe. If they know you will found a city on an unreachable land mass it can only make them want to call off the war anyway since they can't eliminate you.

What am I missing here?

I don't think that we're concerned, so much as we think it will be funny.

I mean in the end, if they see it (and they've got to before too long if not right away), it's not the end of the world.

I just think that the team consensus is that it would be hilarious if we get a settler out, settle on iron and all of a sudden have a bunch of spears and they're like WTF?!?!?

Personally I think that they will figure it out pretty quick.

[Jabah]

This may be spoiler information, so please be careful if it is. Obviously you don't need to confirm or deny if you feel you shouldn't.

No spoiler info, I didn't check the map before typing (and I thought they still had units vivible somewhere east.
In fact if your galley move 2NE, it could be seen only from any of the 4 tiles east of Athens. Later if you move it N or NE, it will be completely invisible (to units on this side of the water.

If you try to escape East, obviously you will reach the fog, so you can't tell if (a) it ends somewhere near or (b) some Ottoman will see you or © you will be sailing to Atlantis

[regoarrarr]

Okay - T69 has flipped. I logged in to check things out

Ottoman units all still on that hill. The barb near Sprios must have ran away - he did not attack.

We're at 22/26 food and 135/150 on the oracle, making +3fpt and +4hpt

Growth in 2 (double whip anger also runs out in 2) and Oracle in 4.

I think we can get Oracle in 3.

T69, 22/26, 135/150
T70, 25/26, 139/150
T71, 2/28, 143/150 - swap to 4/0/2 clams, 1/2/0 plains and 2 0/2/0 hills, with 2/1/0 center. That is 7 hammers and -1 food

T72, 1/28, 0/X - Oracle completes.

No sign of borders of any cities to our east on the coast. Ottomans did increase a pop though.

No signs of any changes to score or power on the graphs, though those are delayed 1 turn.

[regoarrarr]

Middling news from Kodii

I'd have to hook up copper first

Our source is a bit of a distance from our capital, but we'll let you know once we have it up and running.

I will reply thanking him. Doubt we can figure out a way to even connect him to our trading network but at least he's throwin us a bone

[regoarrarr]

Turn played and ended.

Spiros has found the Indian city of Fredericksburg, to the south of Jowy. I suspect that they are founding in our general direction, which is a smart move.

Spiros does not have forest or jungle to move to next turn.