[69] Ginger and Miguelito do as fortune commands

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Love the pictures. Is it possible to get them with resources on, for the blind folks in the audience?

[Miguelito]

Here you go:


Ginger, what's up with the monument in Javert? I know we can't queue real units, but would a barracks have been better? I guess the culture can fogbust?

[Ginger*]

Javert needs a border pop to claim forests, after Masonry it starts on mids, makes sense to build the monument before the Dun bc Dun hammers can go into Mids. Javert will be whipping with overflow into mids so it doesn’t take itself out of our snowball entirely

[Miguelito]

okok I see. Sorry I haven't been of much help.

[Ginger*]

Naufragar picks up Oracle, stacking it with Stonehenge in his capital. Second prophet has to be a Theo bulb, right? Fingers crossed we can piggyback off of (or just straight up steal) the AP. 

Going off of KTB, his only viable targets are Monarchy, HBR, and Metal Casting. bit awkward since Metal Casting and Monarchy are snowball multipliers and he's just pretty badly stunted his. Early serfdom could be cute for sure, but his hole might be deeper than slightly faster workers can dig him out of. I'm very happy with this news as it means it isn't CoL or Machinery or Feudalism that we have to worry about. 

Of course his micro and starting geography must have been great to pull this off, but the strategic choice will bite him. I have three cities fully operational with granaries now, and they'll be running 4->2 until the map is painted lovely Aztec green. 

   
Barb spear makes a timely appearance right as we hook up copper 
Our two warriors face off an archer and our workers are set up to chop out a settler in the capital and prepare for our next 2 cities

Also Bivac *does* have sailing, but hadn't connected Utica to their capital until last turn, which is a puzzling choice of affairs. We'll have their graphs in a couple turns (switched off of trying to get research vis on Naufragar) to gauge how well they are doing. No copper isn't a great sign considering they've been whipping since before they settled Utica. 
I offered clam for clam.

I began research into Sailing to be able to finish it quickly if Bivac grab writing, and also to delay Masonry until we actually start building a quarry, I will keep enough gold in the bank to 4t Masonry at 100%.

[Miguelito]

I logged in and naufragar in fact revolted to Serfdom/HR. I approve of the variance, but yes the cost of both early wonders should bear heavily on him. Which might give us just the edge we need to claim some good spots in the valley between us? Also happy that he is not spending his early hammers on some annoying Agg rush.

And is there acutally any benefit to taking over the AP from someone? You're right of course that if he manages to build it we most likely benefit as well. Btw I remember that he was criticizes in 64 for not building AP, maybe he wants to show he can? Do you consider monk still as worthwhile for us without the Spi or Phi hammer boni? I suppose on this map yes. In that case, should we make a run for Paper?

Overall I think it's looking pretty good, but of course João at this moment in the game will. But foreign development seem to fall somewhat in our favour.

Is Bivac more Bing or more civac?

[Ginger*]

Yeah the Joao clock is still ticking although the competition seems to not be expanding super well*

The timescale on these suffer game maps is definitely more conducive to Monk investments.
Vis a vis pb64, in Naufragar's defense, he had such a low MfG base and was constantly at war trying to hem-in Amicalola, I can see how spending 140 hammers over 13 cities could've ended poorly for Nauf if Amica exploited (which he definitely would've, Amica is in the same camp as I am about how game-defining a fully operational monk trinity can be). I definitely would've built it myself if I had more than 8 cities.

Re Bivac, both seem to log in quite a lot, I suppose we'll know when we see the graphs, I will say that size 4 second city with no Granary is difficult micro to justify*. Bing is very laid back and casual, so I imagine that if Civac feels energized to take over, he probably could. But I remember Civac not wanting the full commitment of another pitboss so he's leaning on Bing to fill that.

*we don't see the land or circumstance so we can't judge or know for sure

[Ginger*]

Magic Science picked up Masonry t59
Could've been Bing but I think his 7 point jump was a point of pop growth

[Miguelito]

I think a few turns on the tech matter less for mids then a proper chopping plan, access to stone and a strong location. It takes a lot of turns anyways. Speaking of, you already saw that Javert's unhappy due tolack of MP? We could also 2-whip a unit into the monument there, instead of just halting growth.

[Ginger*]

Yes the important news last turn was that Javert became unhappy for lack of policing

Now, while we wait for the warrior to arrive, we're building a worker on the mine with intent to overflow. last turn while we still had the corn I decided food in the foodbox was better than hammers in the worker, even if we lost 2F(H) on the unhappy citizen

The barb spear aproaches but our Axe intercepts in time. Will the Barb spear attack an axe in forest or will it avoid the low odds?