[SPOILERS - PBEM17] regoarrarr - Bismarck of Inca

[regoarrarr]

Turn 30 was a great turn of roading in the Incan Empire



2 workers roaded the wheat, and another one roaded the tile 1N of plako, on the way to the gems city.

Conveniently, the gold mine finished this turn which dropped time on Fishing from 2t remaining to 1t, so it completed EOT.

Demos looking good - 2nd in food (23 to 26), 1st in prod (10 to 6) and 2nd in GNP (24 to 27 - and I'm teching a no pre-req tech). 2nd (tied for 1st) in population (27K)

Oh, and EOT puts me first in score (tied)

[regoarrarr]

Turn 33 update and some big news

Someone founded Buddhism! We shall see if that's someone making an Oracle run or not.

I had been meaning to go back through some old saves and try to do at least some basic c&d work and this makes that even more important.

In other news, I whipped the workboat @ Zakalwe and the settler in Plako completed at EOT - heading to the gems site

[regoarrarr]

Trying to decipher 20 turn old demographic information is frustrating

[regoarrarr]

Okay - I've gone through the majority of C&D for the past few turns. I'm stuck a bit on pop and power starting on T31 but @Cyneheard - I've saved our shared spreadsheet if/when you want to take a crack at it.

So Buddhism was founded in 2080 BC (T32), but I did not get it in my 2080 save (I only saw it in my 2020 save). I BELIEVE that religion founding only shows up at the end of the whole turn (as opposed to things like wonders and great people, which show up at the end of each player's turn).

So if that's correct, I should look for folks that did a tech in 2080, which is.... Krill err I mean darrelljs.

And if you had asked me to lay odds on it before I figured it out, that's who I would have guessed.

I think our odds of the Oracle are pretty low at this point. I will continue to plan for it but if we do it, it's got to be a 1t oracle.

[regoarrarr]

Road to Zakalwe finished, which also gave me +1 for the gold (not needed currently)



Pottery finished at EOT, and you can see the wonderful city of Mardoc about ready to be founded next turn.



I actually wasted a worker turn here (moving a worker all the way over from the hill tile 1SW of Zakalwe) because I figured that it was worth it to get the gems online 1 turn sooner . Of the 3 workers on that tile, one came from Zakalwe as mentioned, one put a turn of mining in (I wanted to put a turn of cottaging on the tile 1N but we don't have Pottery yet ) and the remaining one finished the road on the tile itself.

Next turn, after the city is founded, they'll all move NW-N and finish the mine (3t on quick).

[Cyneheard]

Well worth the worker turn: Instead of working a 2/1/0 forest, we'll be working a 2/1/6 gems. At this point, 1 worker turn is worth a lot less than 6 commerce. Especially since time is of the essence if we're still going after the Oracle.

We need to figure out how many chops we'd need for a 1t Oracle build, and leave that many forests intact around Plako.

[regoarrarr]

Well worth the worker turn: Instead of working a 2/1/0 forest, we'll be working a 2/1/6 gems. At this point, 1 worker turn is worth a lot less than 6 commerce. Especially since time is of the essence if we're still going after the Oracle.

We need to figure out how many chops we'd need for a 1t Oracle build, and leave that many forests intact around Plako.

Indeed. I thought the Oracle was 120 hammers, but it is in fact only 100 hammers, or 67 hammers for us rockstar Industrious folks.

Plako has 5 forests, but we only have 4 workers, so 4 is probably our hard limit, and 3 is probably more likely.

Each forest is 13 hammers on Quick, and with wheat + cows + plains hill plant + 1 hammer from a forest (potentially 2 if the plains forest is one of the ones we don't chop), that's 6 base hammers.

3 forests would mean we need 22 hammers overflow, and 4 forests would need only 9. 22 is probably possible from a double barracks whip or an almost done Terrace whip.

I'd estimate 3 turns after Krilljs finishes Priesthood and of course they're ahead of us in the turn order. It's not looking good IMO.

[regoarrarr]

T35 played and Hinduism fell. My guess would be Novice (starts with Myst) or maybe Shoot (I also have him down as having teched Myst).

I'll run the C&D to check if I can see who it was, but at this point, I think we skip the early religions / Oracle. Unless we want to try to run up through Mono?

We need to pick a tech, and we could take Poly and see if the Oracle has fell by the time we get done with it and then go PHood or Masonry/Mono, depending.

Other options would seem to be Writing, or Sailing (let's see if those islands are islands or continents)

[regoarrarr]

I'm confused - when Buddhism fell, it fell on 2080BC but it was not in my 2080 save, only in my 2020 save.

This time though it said Hinduism fell in 1900 and it was in my 1900 save.

I thought I remembered that religions always had a 1t delay in PBEM games, but maybe not?

The only thing I can think of would be turn order. I'm #4 (of 5) to play in turn order.

So Buddhism would have to have been founded by Shoot the Moon, who is the only person after me in the turn order. He did discover a tech in 2080.

Which means it's krilljs who would have founded Hinduism this turn, as the only folks to have discovered a tech this turn (Besides us, who finished Pottery).

If it's a 1t delay (which doesn't match up with the turn log), then it's Novice. In either case, it's only been 3t since krilljs's last tech, so they must have had gold saved up.

In any case, I put us on max research on Polytheism and we'll see how it goes in a few turns.

[regoarrarr]

Let's see if astute observers can look at this picture to see if you can shed any light on the situation



Yup - it was indeed Shoot the Moon who researched Meditation, as he's got the little Buddhist holy city icon near his in the score. I checked past saves and he didn't have it before, so he must have just revolted last turn.

Revolts are weird in PBEMs since you revolt and are done all on your turn (unless it's a multi-turn revolt), so other players never see the 1 GNP in the demos.