EitB 0010 Wishlist/Progress

[Qgqqqqq]

Yeah the cove thing is a personal niggle after one game where I made a 10 city dotmap ahead of time and got 5 cities in before realising it.
Was so pissed that I just deleted the work boat and edited in the cove.

[T-hawk]

One thing CIV V did get right was letting GPP do directed bulbs. Thoughts?

Totally disagree on Civ5 bulbing. Untethered bulbing breaks the game over and over (caveat - haven't really played G&K, this is just based off vanilla.) I think the "puzzle" type bulbing is a really interesting feature of Civ4

Civ 5 bulbing is a problem of quantity, not direction. Each Great Scientist and Research Agreement is worth way too many thousands of beakers. This was fixed to some extent in G&K although I'm not sure of the details.

I never liked the puzzle bulbing in Civ 4. Bulbing Civil Service thanks to intentionally never learning Masonry is a totally silly and gamey concept. What I think you like about Civ 4 and dislike about Civ 5 is the variety created by the puzzle-bulb system and lacking in Civ 5. Civ 5 lets you sling the same stuff every time, but sometimes in Civ 4 your selection of earlier techs ends up affecting what you can bulb later.

To keep that variety but in a predictable manner, maybe take a page from Master of Orion and put some randomness in bulb priorities at the start of the game? (I don't know if that's feasible for FFH/EITB, but just thinking in general.)

[Sareln]

One thing CIV V did get right was letting GPP do directed bulbs. Thoughts?

Totally disagree on Civ5 bulbing. Untethered bulbing breaks the game over and over (caveat - haven't really played G&K, this is just based off vanilla.) I think the "puzzle" type bulbing is a really interesting feature of Civ4

Civ 5 bulbing is a problem of quantity, not direction. Each Great Scientist and Research Agreement is worth way too many thousands of beakers. This was fixed to some extent in G&K although I'm not sure of the details.

I never liked the puzzle bulbing in Civ 4. Bulbing Civil Service thanks to intentionally never learning Masonry is a totally silly and gamey concept. What I think you like about Civ 4 and dislike about Civ 5 is the variety created by the puzzle-bulb system and lacking in Civ 5. Civ 5 lets you sling the same stuff every time, but sometimes in Civ 4 your selection of earlier techs ends up affecting what you can bulb later.

To keep that variety but in a predictable manner, maybe take a page from Master of Orion and put some randomness in bulb priorities at the start of the game? (I don't know if that's feasible for FFH/EITB, but just thinking in general.)

That's a thought. I'll let it turn over in my head some more.

[plako]

If bulb order is randomly generated, it probably should be visible somewhere through UI.

[Sareln]

If bulb order is randomly generated, it probably should be visible somewhere through UI.

Well... yeah .

[NobleHelium]

I don't think Civ 4's bulb system is great, but I don't think you should be able to freely bulb anything either. I would do something like, you can bulb the second valid target in the list at 90% effectiveness, third target at 80% effectiveness, something like that.

[Tasunke]

well, I think if you had up to 3 techs to choose from. For instance, a Sage could choose between Strength of Will or Pass through the Ether. And a Merchant could choose between Guilds and Mercantilism.

[Merovech]

I don't think Civ 4's bulb system is great, but I don't think you should be able to freely bulb anything either. I would do something like, you can bulb the second valid target in the list at 90% effectiveness, third target at 80% effectiveness, something like that.

I actually quite like this idea.

[superjm]

Perhaps some sort of scaling dependent on the number of techs you have or how far along the game is? For example, allow the user to select what they want to bulb but restrict it so you never get more than twice the beakers of the cheapest available tech.

[Qgqqqqq]

Ermm maybe 90% of normal beakers? (As opposed to 90% chance of success)
The last thing IMO, this needs is more luck factor, and using a GS and then getting a low odds failure would be pretty devestating...

(This may be what you meant, but best to make sure )