Diplomacy Master Thread- Helping Your Opponents Beat Themselves

[Nicolae Carpathia]

30T of NAP is fine. If anything, this tells me it'll be a real war.

Let's jump on the two of them once we have knights or curaissiers and take all their hard earned spoils while their economy is borked.

[antisocialmunky]

Of better yet they are killing each other because they can't agree on land split.

[scooter]

Ok, I'm back and catching up. I've been seeing the emails as they come in, just been in the sub-forum much. Anyways, obviously the last few days brought us plenty of great news . I agree with the chorus that we step back and be hyper-neutral here. WPC has shown themselves to be incompetent enough that I don't think they'll actually conquer the Germans, they'll just set both of them back significantly.

I'll do more reading here and get a good handle on what's on the to-do list and I'll dive right back in tomorrow morning.

[mostly_harmless]

Got a Open Borders offer from CFC in game. Accepted.

One thing that is not clear to me:
WPC wanted to have a no-scouting clause in the agreement, but their latest message
"Our citizens are happy that they can freely go and experience you country."

seems to imply full Open Borders?
Damn those role players.

mh

[NobleHelium]

I'm pretty sure that's just a roleplaying message.

[Tyrmith]

Yeah, my guess would be that he was talking about traders someday going between our nations?

[scooter]

DRAFTS. First to the German team, their last message in spoilers for easy reference:

There are two promising rivers, next to your gold mine. The other one
is actually a branch of the same river. It originates 7-7-7 of your
gold mine.
In any case, we found ocean east of you. If you go eight turns from
the gold mine to the east, you will find it.

We are fine with postponing a research arrangement. You can come back
to us when it becomes important to you.

Greetings
Flunky - German Webring Team

Draft:

Flunky,

Thanks so much for the map info, that's helpful. Trade routes is definitely a priority for us in expansion, so hopefully we can settle those pretty soon.

We're very sorry to hear WPC declared war on you. Is everything ok? What kind of force are they sending? In any case, we wish you good luck. Hopefully you can take care of their attack quickly and be back on your feet.

Thanks,
scooter - Team RB

Feel free to provide some input. Pretty much just being nice and letting them do their thing.

[kjn]

If you want to give some more info to the Germans, you can mention that we currently peg the core of their army to be no more than 6 dog soldiers right now.

I'd also like confirmation on the ocean to the east of the gold mine they mention.

[kalin]

I would not give any information to the Germans unless asked and even then we should think about it.

Kalin

[scooter]

Ok, the harder one, now for WPC. First in spoilers, here are the messages from them (already posted, just for reference).

Hello,

the offer you sent in game got cancelled by accident.
We sent the OB offer to you again in game.

BR,
Tatu

Greetings to team RB!

We would like to inform that we have declared war on the Incan nation.
I believe that this test of strength will benefit both of our nations.
Our war will lessen the threat that Incan nation possibly causes to you from north.

If you have anything to ask, or propose, don't hesitate to send me a message.

Best regards,
Tatu of team WPC

Greetings to team Realms Beyond.

We are pleased about our Open Borders agreement.
Our citizens are happy that they can freely go and experience you country.
Those left home also are enjoying the numerous souvenirs that our travelers bring from far away lands.

In this mindset we desire for greater stability between our people.

We propose a Non Aggression Pact starting from the moment of signing the deal up to turn 100 for starters.
The Non Aggression Pact would end at the start of turn 100 unless we continue it before reaching that point.

Do you agree with these terms?

Looking forward to prosperous relationships between our nations.

Best regards,
Tatu
Foreign Minister of WPC

Tatu,

First, apologies for being a bit slow to respond - I was out of town for the week. It seems like things have been quite eventful while I'm gone - I certainly didn't expect two neighbors to break into war! I wish you good luck in your fight. I'm just thankful it's somebody else rather than us dealing with your dog soldiers .

We are often hesitant to freely sign NAPs, but we do understand your desire for security while involved in another war. Therefore, we're happy to sign the NAP until T100. Hopefully that will give you some breathing room.

How is the war going so far? Any combat yet?

Thanks,
scooter - Team RB

Goal is to:

1) seem nice and cooperative
2) establish that we prefer no NAPs (solely to keep options open on them in the future - that we could reject a NAP without being obviously suspicious)
3) open-ended question to maybe get more details on their war if they feel so inclined. Probably won't work, but it's worth a shot.