Going to be a short report despite that it was a relatively eventful turn, simply because most of what really happened was positioning for the future.
Yuri abandoned Samsun, leaving only a warrior in place. So this happened:
After that, we saw this. Silly Yuri, should have just left the 1-movers in the city where they get better 40% defense + 25% fortify if you couldn't get them far enough away (which without Engineering, wasn't possible.)
We softened them up with a sacrificial CKN, then took out the healthier of the 2 LBs with our Knight, following up with more CKNs. That left us in possession of the hill:
You can't precisely tell but there are 3 CKNs and a settler in position N-NW of the hill tile ready to found our replacement city.
Beyond that, not much. We teched Music since we're somewhat interested in just following Mist to Rifling who just finished RP this turn. Next turn, we probably turn on the science and 2t RP, then maybe save gold until Oxford, which will take ~6t in the capital is done.
No other major news - here's a look at that power graph of Mist/Commodore battles last turn:
And the demogs:
I've got some dirt on my shoulder, can you brush it off for me?
Gonna need more units down there with Yuri maybe. Is it just the one ckn promoted to Guerrila 2? A second may have been nice. Though I guess we're really not worried about Yuri launching a huge counter at this point. His milscore is all tied up in HAs not a lot of room for cats.
“The wind went mute and the trees in the forest stood still. It was time for the last tale.”
We scouted deep into his territory last turn. Unless he kept a bunch of cats 2E of Istanbul for some reason, it's highly unlikely that we'll be hit with cats this turn. The three in Ankara did not move.
Turn report will have to wait until tomorrow but stay tuned for the epic tale of our heroic CKN which caused the birth of our first Great General. Good news - we're still in good shape, having lost only 1 unit so far. Bad news - we're not going to take Istanbul next turn.
I've got some dirt on my shoulder, can you brush it off for me?
So I owe you guys two updates. No promises you get both tonight. First T119.
So, you'll recall we sent a CKN to the hill overlooking Ankara last turn. Yuri, in the attempt to draw some blood and perhaps a rush of blood to the head decided to attack it. First, he catted our one unit stack:
Then, he attacked out with his Longbow:
Nice win at 33.9% odds. So he decides to clean up with his axe:
Hurrah! Other than that, the turn was largely marked by Lewwyn's trolling of NoFunHelium. So rather than take you through a step-by-step of the turn, I'll show a couple pictures then paste in the chat.
Quote: NobleHelium: want to pillage the mine with the knight and build a windmill later? Lewwyn: I think you're good with leaving one but then he does have a ton of HAs NobleHelium: YES LEWWYN IM TALKING ABOUT WINDMILLS Gaspar: we found the HAs
they're in Instanbul Lewwyn: pretty sure he wouldn't be able to hit it anyway NobleHelium: well Lewwyn: he doesn't have engineering so they can't hit the new city NobleHelium: yuris does not have engineering
so yeah Gaspar: noble wants 2 because commodore has a chariot that would have 0.1 odds that can hit it NobleHelium: well
in theory
he could move east of the city Lewwyn: lol NobleHelium: well that's fine actually
even if he moves east of the city
we raze istanbul Lewwyn: send me the save NobleHelium: and then that road becomes neutral Gaspar: ill forward the one you sent me NobleHelium: and we can move back to defend KA if needed Gaspar: make sure the first thing you do
is read the last 3 entries in the combat log
hilarity NobleHelium: yeah our GNP is going to be over 1k this turn Gaspar: im fine with pillaging the mine NobleHelium: i hope commodore has an embolism Gaspar: lol NobleHelium: ok pillaging mine with knight then moving southeast
9g
not bad Gaspar: no, not bad NobleHelium: well i guess mine is 10g average
so that's below average
but whatever not bad Gaspar: how do you know these things? NobleHelium: i looked at it in the civilopedia 10 turns ago when we were planning to attack yuri Gaspar: rofl
this stack needs a medic NobleHelium: lol
well we don't need a medic yet Gaspar: no
but its going to in 2t
next turn will be bloody
just depends whether thats on yuri's turn or ours NobleHelium: yeah
hopefully ours Gaspar: yeah, certainly hope he sits his HAs
though without cats NobleHelium: why would you tech optics instead of engineering anyway Gaspar: not sure how smart attacking us would be
its completely retarded Lewwyn: why don't you kill istanbul this turn?
you can demolish him NobleHelium: not enough 2 promo CKNs Gaspar: start playing turns in all 23454836 games hes in NobleHelium: we considered this last turn
mass promoting to G2
and then attacking this turn
but it's not worth it
his stuff will heal on the interturn Gaspar: yeah, if we had enough to take city, itd be worth the lower odds to ensure we get the first attack NobleHelium: so anyhow
i say we pillage the other mine too with the G2 CKN
well i guess we should only do it if we're
definitely razing istanbul Gaspar: maybe we'll get 12 g next
theres no way
you're talking me into keeping instanbul NobleHelium: ok
i'd appreciate if you'd stop spelling it wrong
anyway pillaging
boo also 9g Gaspar: 9 AGAIN Lewwyn: you should see what you get in the city Gaspar: OUR PILLAGE GOLD DID NOT REGRESS TO THE MEAN Lewwyn: after you take it
before you decide whether to raze it NobleHelium: well the city has
granary forge and hindu monastery
the monastery cannot survive since it's a culture building Gaspar: it would need to have a real life brothel to put in my apartment to be worth it NobleHelium: ok it also has walls Gaspar: the problem with instanbul is it forces us to keep ankara NobleHelium: i actually prefer ankara's position to istanbul's Gaspar: same here
but i prefer the two cities we'd plant instead to either Lewwyn: hrm Gaspar: the current plan, lewwyn
is to plant the tile where davy crockett the ckn is on NobleHelium: lol Gaspar: the tile commodore's chariot is on Lewwyn: the hill? NobleHelium: the hill 2N of ankara yes Gaspar: and then the tile SW of the rice for Istanbul NobleHelium: he means SE Gaspar: its just automatic to type inst over ist, no idea why Lewwyn: ok Gaspar: im well aware the n doesn't belong there Lewwyn: I see it
3 cities over 2 NobleHelium: well it's not really 3 cities over 2
since i don't think we're going to keep kayseri to work one grassland and coast Gaspar: the biggest reason we want to do it
is that this set-up is a better dotmap AND more defensible NobleHelium: well i'm not sure the defensible makes much difference now Gaspar: specifically, we'd never have istanbul's second ring NobleHelium: because we are near bffs with mist currently :P Gaspar: yeah, that can change though NobleHelium: so if commodore goes for steel Gaspar: hes going for steel Lewwyn: hrm ok NobleHelium: i think we can defend against cannons with a sufficient number of CKNs Gaspar: he just teched chem NobleHelium: because they can collateral siege units unlike other siege units
but it might be fucking expensive Gaspar: CKN the best tasting siege Lewwyn: you might want a few cheap cats too tho NobleHelium: we have like ten cats
that we haven't used Lewwyn: good NobleHelium: probably like 12
anyway if we really wanted Lewwyn: nice sistine NobleHelium: it wouldn't be difficult to get steel ourselves Lewwyn: I was wondering if you'd get round to it NobleHelium: yeah
<3 sistine Gaspar: its esp good with the other monk stuff
and mercantalism NobleHelium: anyway Lewwyn: you need more units NobleHelium: i hope to get SOL
but we'll see Lewwyn: down by istanbul NobleHelium: why do you say that
we get odds on everything on a hill Gaspar: probably same reason I think it
attacks really going to stall after istanbul NobleHelium: i suppose if he abandons istanbul Lewwyn: yes NobleHelium: and keeps his units
to defend ankara
then we have a problem
but i think he's going to make a last stand there Lewwyn: even so in this exchange you're going to lose alot NobleHelium: and then get slaughtered
i don't think we're going to lose that much Lewwyn: you simply are light here IMO
eh NobleHelium: i say we lose 5-6 CKNs Gaspar: 5-6 CKNs is a decent chunk of what we have. Lewwyn: so it'll take 2-3ts to take the city
5-6 is huge Gaspar: noble doesn't really want to commit any more to the attack Lewwyn: leave only one in KA
you need more Gaspar: because he thinks commodore is coming soon NobleHelium: if we only lose Gaspar: he might be right NobleHelium: 5-6 CKNs Lewwyn: psh NobleHelium: we'll take the city next turn Gaspar: i actually do think commodores going to attack
but id guess more like 10t Lewwyn: he's gonna want cannons first Gaspar: yeah, exactly
no reason to get that close
and not get them first NobleHelium: hold a sec Lewwyn: I hope you guys take istanbul next turn NobleHelium: going to check the chariot's odds Lewwyn: but NobleHelium: on the injured CKN
k well
the chariot has about 6.3%
to take out the injured ckn
er 6.96% actually Lewwyn: you realize yuri has 23 units in istanbul NobleHelium: ok
we have 15 CKNs on the big stack
2 spears
1 knight + 1 ckn Lewwyn: and I see you have 24 units NobleHelium: 2 ckns in the city
and 1 on the iron Lewwyn: after I took all your others NobleHelium: ok
so i guess we're not taking istanbul next turn Lewwyn: I stacked em all up all your availabe NobleHelium: regardless Lewwyn: yeah
I told you you weren't NobleHelium: so i don't see a good reason not to keep two units in the city Lewwyn: you needed more units NobleHelium: what do you want me to do lewwyn
i'm not magicking up units out of nowhere
ok so
i say we keep the 0 exp ckn + injured ckn in the city as before
move everything else on the hill
promote everything to c1, leave the second promo unused Lewwyn: yes Gaspar: sounds good Lewwyn: need to msg yuri
"Yuri roll over"
"good boy" Gaspar: lol NobleHelium: lol Lewwyn: what about the units in outpost NobleHelium: my save has a slight leak where i saved after founding the city before i got rid of the hammer notification btw
yes we can move some of those Lewwyn: move em out
threaten ankara from the north
I'd say move all but one Gaspar: my only hesitation in moving a lot of units to that hill
is showing commodore more of our power Lewwyn: if you don't yuri moves all his units in ankara into istanbul
and does even more pain in the ass
maybe hits the stack with two cats
well NobleHelium: he can only do that turn after next Lewwyn: yeah but you can't take his city next turn NobleHelium: anyway i do think we should move some units out Lewwyn: damn
commodore could wack a mole you guys Gaspar: lol
thanks, pal Lewwyn: pretty fucking precarious...
just saying NobleHelium: what
what do you mean by wack a mole Gaspar: where did you grow up, Mars? Lewwyn: hit one city, hit the next
make you run defenses NobleHelium: with the chariot?
or what Lewwyn: catch you between wo
no up and down the defense line NobleHelium: you are being so fucking vague Lewwyn: its not vague
he hits multiple cities
and tears down your army Gaspar: I think its overwhelmingly likely
if commodore attacks NobleHelium: do you realize Gaspar: to be at cath NobleHelium: that you have not said anything specifically
about how commodore would attack
first i thought you were saying
that he would gather one big stack
and run it up and down the border
now you're saying he can hit multiple cities simultaneously Lewwyn: if I'm him I hit caldeum
and I get two galleys and hit hidden camp NobleHelium: that's better Gaspar: that might be smarter Lewwyn: then I move everythign out of KIKI and charge straight up Gaspar: but its unlikely NobleHelium: two galleys won't take hidden camp but yes there aren't a lot of units there
that's why we have the ckn stack between the two cities Lewwyn: cats don't kill though
and caldeum
would go down fast
only 7 units that can kill Gaspar: caldeum is definitely the weak spot atm NobleHelium: yes
we're probably not building that spy Lewwyn: if com had rifles and knights coming at you NobleHelium: that's a leftover Gaspar: you've got to keep in mind though
hes still fighting a hot war with mist NobleHelium: anyway
there's no reason to keep the KO units in the city Gaspar: he cant just send everything he has at us NobleHelium: we either move them 3sw or 3se or some combiantion of the two Lewwyn: well I'm not commodore
and I don't know whats happening on the mist front
but you guys have alot of axes NobleHelium: can you assholes type faster Lewwyn: :D NobleHelium: especially you lewwyn Lewwyn: I'm thinking while I type NobleHelium: well then think faster Lewwyn: enjoying the feel of the keys
as I languidly move about the keyboard NobleHelium: so gaspar
what do you want to do with the KO units Gaspar: lol
well you know me
go big or go home
i'd plunk em on the hill NobleHelium: can we take ankara with those units
say we leave a spear behind Gaspar: if all he has
is a LB
yes Lewwyn: go for it Gaspar: i mean, i suppose he can go for drywhip #3 NobleHelium: well my point is Gaspar: HE MIGHT NEVER GET ASTRONOMY THEN NobleHelium: we could also move some units to reinforce caldeum
since we are so concerned and all Gaspar: yes i understand that
imo
drop the stack at ankara
build units everywhere
send them to caldeum
remember that lewwyn is always at least 10% trolling
languidly, of course Lewwyn: 10%! NobleHelium: we're already building units everywhere Lewwyn: I saw a wealth build... NobleHelium: that city doesn't build anything Lewwyn: but wealth? NobleHelium: wealth is not something
but yes Gaspar: yes, if you recall, I've been around for the whole of the plan
I am generally okay with it
i end up with a city like that every game
i forget the names, but I had 2 on the border with mack in 24 NobleHelium: we're also going to found ANOTHER city that doesn't build anything a bit later Gaspar: that i just built wealth in constantly
looking forward to it NobleHelium: all right
so if you think caldeum is fine we could move all the units 3se
but it might be a good idea
to move the pike or ckn sw
keep in mind we aren't finishing any units this turn Gaspar: id move them all to the hill but i wont fistfight you over it NobleHelium: well
my inclination is to mvoe the ancient units se and the medieval units sw
you know we could attack that longbow and delete those workers Gaspar: yes, i thought about it last turn
but decided i didnt want to make him angry NobleHelium: well last turn there was a jungle, no? Gaspar: yeah, but i mean i thought it about suggesting we do it this turn NobleHelium: man too bad that hill ckn wasn't 2 promo Gaspar: qq NobleHelium: antyway
my main point is that
i don't think we can take ankara
even if we move all the units there
he whipped izmir Gaspar: well NobleHelium: can we take 3 longbows in ankara?
i don't think so Gaspar: no, probably not NobleHelium: what do you want to promote the ckn to Lewwyn: C1? Gaspar: well NobleHelium: c1, c2, g2 are all options i think
possibly also cover Gaspar: I think C2 or G2
its weak and needs both promos NobleHelium: ok c2 Gaspar: I feel like we should name him
Tyrael maybe? NobleHelium: lol if you want
but remember Gaspar: Davy Crockett, also acceptable NobleHelium: tyrael just opens doors Gaspar: lol, so true
maybe he'll open the door to Ankara NobleHelium: ok i say we move the ckn to cover this ckn
and the axe + the exped spears
and then we move the pike sw Gaspar: ok NobleHelium: promotions?
promote the ckn, axe?
maybe the spears? Gaspar: C1, Cover respectively?
spears are good I think, they won't see action on defense NobleHelium: ok
c1 and cover Gaspar: k NobleHelium: davy crockett rests for a turn and heals a bit
oh i suppose we could have promoted him to medic
or the axe to medic
meh whatever Gaspar: k NobleHelium: do you think we need to keep two workers near cath in case we need to road that sw tile Gaspar: was debating that NobleHelium: eh let's do that Gaspar: ok NobleHelium: i still feel like we need a pike to cover the copper ckn stack
unless you really don't think commodore will use knights Gaspar: i don't
but we can NobleHelium: can we do it in cath? Gaspar: ok sure NobleHelium: let's keep cath's ckn in the city for a couple turns? Gaspar: ok NobleHelium: well
we could also move the kiki spy nw
and keep it in the territory
although given that we haven't seen a single knight
it should probably be fine Gaspar: yeah, the tile its on currently shows us all the likely staging tiles NobleHelium: well, it's just that he could hit the ckn stack with 2-movers sw of aylee
that's all
anyway if we want to mvoe it back to our territory let's move onto the plains hill
and not the gems
which way do you want to go Gaspar: fine lets check out whats near aylee
2 NW? NobleHelium: well 1 nw first Gaspar: nothing NobleHelium: WINDMILLS
lol Gaspar: lol NobleHelium: we could either go 2nw, 41, or back onto the copper
nor eason to go 41 actually
1w already reveals all those tiles Gaspar: lets go 4
nothing NobleHelium: hold in place?
so that we see all these tiles next turn Gaspar: ok NobleHelium: k kulle spy west as you said
so, mister GG
i'd like to move him south
and see how much exp we get next turn
unless you are dying to start the HE this turn
mist could have cancelled the marble trade this turn so it doesn't look like he will Gaspar: well
yeah, lets see what happens next turn
but I think we should start on HE after the new unit build completes in Cald
so if we don't have an eligible unit by then, should just go for it
if we do, settle certainly NobleHelium: well if we make a GG unit
i'd like to get up to 26 to unlock WP also
that's my main hesitation Gaspar: can we please
not worry about WP NobleHelium: ok well neb goes Gaspar: you've got such weird civ fetishes NobleHelium: SE of alc? Gaspar: culture, shrines and west point NobleHelium: ok
what does caldeum build
another ckn? Gaspar: thats what i set it to NobleHelium: KO works the windmill instead of the farm? Gaspar: yeah NobleHelium: do youw ant to promote any units in caldeum Gaspar: nah
lets see what he has with the spy NobleHelium: ok Gaspar: if he has a stack ready to hit caldeum next turn
we're fucked anyway
i find that to be highly unlikely
turn after? maybe NobleHelium: boo no celebrations =[ Gaspar: nobody loves us anymore Lewwyn: boo NobleHelium: we should post in banter thread
hey guys
we have spare iron for sale Gaspar: lol
this turn deserves a high quality report
just for davy crockett
but i gotta go to bed soon
gotta get up stupid early tomorrow qq Lewwyn: kk NobleHelium: we clearly should have built angkor wat Gaspar: lol NobleHelium: i think we've worked more priest specs than anyone else in rb history Gaspar: yeah
moderately amusing
that we're building sistine at the site of the ap Lewwyn: except for the part where you worked priests XD Gaspar: we dont have enough markets built
thats a big part of it
also
noble is secretly deeply religious NobleHelium: yes i am pretty annoyed that we worked the priests and it's taken this long to get the prophet out Lewwyn:http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/4...605350.jpg NobleHelium: i really want to build the shrine but
we might get a merchant from the next GP
and that would be quite shitty
chance of merchant in HC is 5% and dropping though
so if we get two spies
do we infiltrate commodore?? Gaspar: lol
you so are scumbag steve
lol Lewwyn: I'll post it in thread Gaspar: I assume the other spy is communism?
my first priority
is making sure we get 2 more GAs
beyond that
less concerned about what we do with the rest of them
TM, Shrine, Infiltration are all reasonable uses NobleHelium: no i mean
if we get two spies
from our cities naturally Lewwyn: okay I posted for you Gaspar NobleHelium: dude that second picture
is so true
that's why i got pissed off
you were like
IF IW ERE COMMODORE I'D HAVE ELIMINATED YOU 30T AGO Lewwyn: I told you you didn't have enough units to take istanbul
XD
you thought you could? NobleHelium: i miscounted the units
but just because we can't take the city this turn
doesn't mean we won't take the city Lewwyn: wha...
did you double count a stack? NobleHelium: i miscounted the non-HA units
because they were aggregated Lewwyn: so you saw 2 when there were 8 NobleHelium: fuck you lewwyn Lewwyn: :P
that one may have been closer to 50% trolling
:D
I've got some dirt on my shoulder, can you brush it off for me?
So, when we last left you, the situation at Istanbul was thus:
On the interturn, Yuri decided to attack out with his HAs. Probably the best move would have been retreating to Ankara and making the last stand there but this wasn't terrible as plays go. Unfortunately for Yuri, CKNs get pretty darn good odds on Horse Archers on defensive terrain. He did get some nice withdraws, though:
That left this situation outside the city:
I wish I could give you the blow by blow but Noble started the turn without me because I was AWOL and I don't trust myself to faithfully recreate with accurate health and such, so instead I can only give you the log:
That led to this:
We burned the city, primarily because with Work Rate at 4th ring it would have been an impossible culture battle. I also think its entirely possible Mist attacks us at some later date and I'd much rather set a more defensive border with him. Time, of course, will tell. The other good news is that we razed the city with our Knight, giving him 10 xp.
Which enabled this:
Gotta love finishing HE on the same turn you get the eligible unit. Thanks for the marble, Mist!
Here's what's left of our stack:
Not in great shape, but should have no trouble taking out Ankara. After that, we may need to wait for reinforcements. On the plus side, those reinforcements will likely carry Rifles. But I do think it is important we keep pushing because this whole exercise only becomes worthwhile once we can start integrating Yuri's territory. On the plus side, with his HAs dead there's really not much that's going to happen from his end other than whipping Longbows.
We were able to get eyes on Commodore's military situation at all the border cities this turn. While he's well defended, I don't see anything that will qualify as an invasion force anytime soon. I really think the smartest play for Commodore would be to go eat Dave and turn this into to 3-man FFA it has been destined to be for the last 50t. Unfortunately, he can't do that because somehow in AI diplo they've managed to negotiate a gamelong NAP:
We finished Replaceable Parts at EOT. With some finesse we can probably get Rifling done in 2t though it may require some of Lewwyn's favorite build. We got Noble's Prophet (St. Augustine) out of Leoric's Manor at the end of turn, which Noble is now leaning towards using to fire a Golden Age next turn. I would much prefer waiting until Oxford is done and the war is a bit more stable so we will no doubt argue about this for hours today. I cannot wait.
GNP number is slightly skewed here because I queued Rifling when I replayed the BEOT to get you guys this report, so we have a tech selected here:
I've got some dirt on my shoulder, can you brush it off for me?
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